Banned by Carl the Lumberjack

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Cool story, no basis in fact, but it certainly sounds "good" and has your typical passion.
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So what your saying is that Jim didn't used the term "eating a bag of dicks" during a conversation about gay folks Carl?

Your saying treesmith didn't bring the gay couple from Oregon into the discussion then insulted them multiple times, then followed it up by suggesting that gay people are asking for more rights than the rest of us are afforded? Their jamming their perverted lifestyle down our throats .

Your saying that Bob didn't came at me extremely hard with multiple insults ?

Your saying that I wasn't the only one that you threatened to ban if I didn't stop?

Your saying it wasn't Bob (who doesn't do treework and is as Trumpster as they get) that came to the work pics thread and intentionally poking the bear to start some new shit?

I get it Carl.. You are ONE of them, and your just protecting your homies., but there really is no need for all the dishonesty...

Later Punk..
 
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Beautiful rendition of the Sam Cooke classic Daniel.

Sam with his mentor RH Harris blowing the back off that shit....


By the way I enjoyed your 2020 compilation Daniel...
 
IMO it is always the religion and political threads that bring out the worst in people. If I had a forum there would be strict rules against discussing either. Because you are never going to change someone beliefs no matter how hard you try or resort to attacking ones character and engaging in mud slinging.
Live and let live karma will sort it out.
 
flushcut said:
IMO it is always the religion and political threads that bring out the worst in people. If I had a forum there would be strict rules against discussing either. Because you are never going to change someone beliefs no matter how hard you try or resort to attacking ones character and engaging in mud slinging.
Live and let live karma will sort it out.
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I hear ya flushcut, but sadly a couple of the more well known Arb sites have become places where racism, bigotry, and hate are being allowed to go mostly unchecked..I find it strange that some the worst offenders on these forums tend to be folks who are not Arbs, loggers, or work in the wood.. Why are they drawn to our tree forums as a place to spew their ignorance?

Fuck changing their minds and making friends.. Its about charging straight at those type of folks and shining a light on their bullshit..They don't play nice, so why should those of us who disagree with their view of the world pussy foot around with them...How exactly do you have a pleasant conversation with someone who uses terms like "eating a bag of dicks" when describing gays folks? Why would you coddle a man who uses racist language when describing our former president, or discussing our southern border?

My old man didn't teach my little brother or myself much, but he did instill in both of us a very low threshold for hate, racism, and bigotry, and the will to speak up against it....For that I thank him.. Thanks pops....
 
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flushcut said:
IMO it is always the religion and political threads that bring out the worst in people. If I had a forum there would be strict rules against discussing either. Because you are never going to change someone beliefs no matter how hard you try or resort to attacking ones character and engaging in mud slinging.
Live and let live karma will sort it out.
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Hear, hear! The 2 forums (one for chainsaws and one for firewood) I hang out at the most don't allow either subject. Pleanty of other places on the web to argue about it.
 
rico said:
I hear ya flushcut, but the reality is that we live in a world where hate, disinformation, and lies are being allowed to run mostly unchecked on a couple of the more well known Arb sites...Its also strange that some the worst offenders on these forums tend to be folks who are not Arbs, loggers, or work in the wood.. Why are they on our tree forums spewing their hate and ignorance?

Fuck changing their minds and making friends.. Its about charging straight at those type of folks and shining a light on their bullshit..They don't play nice, so why should those of us who disagree with their view of the world pussy foot around with them...How exactly do you have a pleasant conversation with someone who uses terms like "eating a bag of dicks" when describing gays folks? Why would you coddle a man who uses racist language when describing our former president, or discussing our southern border?

My old man didn't teach my little brother or me much, but he did instill in both of us a very low threshold for hate, racism, and bigotry, and the will to speak up and fight it....For that I thank him.. Thanks pops....
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Eric, I like you, but I think coming from a place of love would work better for you.
A very low threshold for hate, racism, and bigotry makes one quick to hatefully become closed to someone's position in a dynamic, grayscale world based on superficial factors that may be completely unrelated to a dispute or opinion that is being presented because of a sense of moral superiority... something that often fuels the behaviors being fought against.
There are very few who are actually racist or sexist or homophobic. Most of those have endured some sort of emotional trauma, although that is worth nothing when the goal is to loudly burn witches.
The rest of the people that people who don't think assume are some kind of bigot are more or less underexposed to the humanity of the people that they're opposed to. The rest, well, I suppose they're allowed to live their lives how they want as long as they follow the same basic laws that we all do.
I don't think that if I told you to eat a bag of dicks that my position would become worthless. We're adults. There's no need to be so upset.
 
I appreciate your point of view somethingwitty, but I strongly disagree. Real genuine racism, hate, sexism, and homophobia is alive and thriving in the world, and to suggest otherwise is utter nonsense..All we have to do is look at the last few hundred yrs of human history to see the truth.

Moral superiority? How about right and wrong as a simple starting point?

...And just so you understand I wasn't told to eat a bag of dicks.. Someone out of the blue used that term to describe gays folks. It would be very disingenuous for me "to come at them from a place of love", and it is certainly not anything they are going to afford me or the folks they are bashing... Again I have no interest in trying to change the mind of someone like that. I'm going straight at em cause that's how I roll....
 
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an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Don't fight the darkness, just turn on the lights.

And check out the concept of projection. When we get emotionally triggered (angry) by some judgment we make of others, it's generally the case that there is some aspect of our own personality that we hide, repress, or deny, that we are projecting onto the other person. People do it all the time. So anger is almost always in my experience a sign that a man is projecting his shadow onto another person. And it's the judgment that is key to the aspect of self that is getting denied. For example, I used to get triggered by Bush/Cheyney for starting a war based on falsified intelligence. then killing 600,000 civilians. I judged them for abusing their power and making innocent people suffer. I used to curse them to hell.

That seems pretty reasonable given the atrocity they perpetuated. But my emotional reaction of getting so angry was a clear sign that I was the one that was abusing power and making the innocent suffer. That was something for me to look at.
 
Or maybe some of us are simply raising our voices to injustice when we see and hear it, and to those who allow it to flourish (lumberjack)....
 
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flushcut said:
IMO it is always the religion and political threads that bring out the worst in people. If I had a forum there would be strict rules against discussing either. Because you are never going to change someone beliefs no matter how hard you try or resort to attacking ones character and engaging in mud slinging.
Live and let live karma will sort it out.
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I would go a step further. They should not be allowed. Leave that out. It is afterall a tree forum.
 
rico said:
Or maybe some of us a simply raising our voices to injustice when we see and hear it, and to those who allow it to flourish (lumberjack)....
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It's all good to speak up not allow evil to go unchecked, but if we get angry about it and spew that anger in the form of ugliness and hatred, then we are more a part of the problem than the solution. Compassion is a wonderous quality of life. Basically, we are all just doing what we see as best, seeking happiness, and avoiding pain. Everyone makes mistakes. Forgiveness is another great quality. There is a lot of lip service paid to forgiveness amongst many religions, but not so much follow-through.
 
I really appreciate your input, Daniel.
There's a philosophical segue there. Any of us could have succumb to any negative influence in the proper circumstance. The ingredients are there just by virtue of being human. The trap of right or wrong is one of those scary, selfish, hateful influences. By putting the option out there to label someone as "wrong" you make it possible to rationalize causing them harm for it's own sake (even if it is not physical harm, accusing someone of being a piece of shit is definitely not about helping them not to be). Surely it can't be right to hurt someone for being wrong, and it must be wrong to not admit that there isn't a person alive who is only right.
Starting at something so black and white is a terrible idea. Even if it seems clear. "Nazis are bad" comes to mind. Those people didn't decide to be awful by themselves, and a great many probably resisted until the party gained enough influence that they couldn't peacefully live their lives any longer. They were told that people were their enemy, that they were irredeemably evil and corrupt, and that their suffering and destruction were going to make the world a better place. With overwhelming pressure from a crushed economy, insistence from authority figures, and fear for their futures and the futures of their friends and families, they tapped into an animalistic, tribal, destructive mindset that we are all capable of.
Watch children. They gang up and pick on the weaker ones together with no feeling of compassion or remorse. They also experience life without the baggage that most adults carry around every moment.
That doesn't doom them to be awful humans. It does quite the contrary. They realize how bad they can be and eventually repent. It's the ones who never experience the tribalism that have trouble living their lives.
Of course, all of this is super generalized and without sources cited. BUT if you think and feel through the processes that people could experience, it's easy to imagine yourself standing across any aisle.


swingdude said:
I would go a step further. They should not be allowed. Leave that out. It is afterall a tree forum.
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I can dig that. I can also appreciate philosophy more than politics. It ties in with urban forestry very neatly.

@flushcut
It's not about demanding that anyone change their view. It's much more about having the decency to share the tools you have with your fellow man, that they might also be as close to the truth as they can manage. I'd hope that if you know that you know something better than I do that you'd share it with me.
 
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