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Pure butchery... I do apologize flushcut....

I remember when I was working in New England many moons ago and the fellas were aghast at the depth of some of my undercuts.. That was until they witnessed how little effort it was expending while banging over mild back-leaners....It also didn't take me long to realize that I had to make my undercuts much more open faced than what I was used to getting away with in my western conifer forests.
 
rico said:
Pure butchery... I do apologize flushcut....

I remember when I was working in New England many moons ago and the fellas were aghast at the depth of some of my undercuts.. That was until they witnessed how little effort it was expending while banging over mild back-leaners....It also didn't take me long to realize that I had to make my undercuts much more open faced than what I was used to getting away with in my western conifer forests.
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I can see that.

Hinges that have more sapwood in them have more bend. Since you can set a throwline in everything, pull isn't an issue most of the time.

I don't get the longest bar for the powerhead thing though.
 
Many out here will put the longest bar they can get away with for a given powerhead..Were as guys in the east will often run a much shorter bar on the same cc powerhead....Trees in the east are generally much harder and denser thus putting a lot more strain on the powerhead to pull the same length bar when cutting...Hope that makes sense?
 
rico said:
Were as guys in the east
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And Australia, and Germany, and Sweden, and.... Personally think the second or third longest rated bar with full skip pairs well for everyday usage around here. On the other side, seeing 50cc with 16" bar or recently a 576 with an 18" bar seems plain dumb, but happy to be wrong.
 
rico said:
Many out here will put the longest bar they can get away with for a given powerhead..Were as guys in the east will often run a much shorter bar on the same cc powerhead....Trees in the east are generally much harder and denser thus putting a lot more strain on the powerhead to pull the same length bar when cutting...Hope that makes sense?
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Ah. I thought you were saying hardwood guys tended to.
That was what I didn't get. I tend to run a size shorter than they come with. Well, not the 660, but something needs a 3 foot bar pretty often.
 
SomethingWitty said:
A very low threshold for hate, racism, and bigotry makes one quick to hatefully become closed to someone's position in a dynamic, grayscale world based on superficial factors that may be completely unrelated to a dispute or opinion that is being presented because of a sense of moral superiority... something that often fuels the behaviors being fought against.
There are very few who are actually racist or sexist or homophobic. Most of those have endured some sort of emotional trauma, although that is worth nothing when the goal is to loudly burn witches.
The rest of the people that people who don't think assume are some kind of bigot are more or less underexposed to the humanity of the people that they're opposed to.
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I understand where your coming from with your point. For myself the above of racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry. Even if in the spoken word or written word is an act of violence, and deserves to be smashed in the head with a baseball bat.
Obviously most are good people, and many will unwittingly use racist terms (I know I have many time to my surprise). The use of this language perpetuatuates true violence.
I’ve lost people I’m close with due to this violence, in a direct sense so I am passionate. Additionally I’ve lost many more due to the institutional violence language such as this creates to mental health and suicide.
I personally feel you can bash back physically while being compassionate for their ignorance.
Just like the Nazi example. They have a gun to someone head out of ignorance and matter circumstances the right thing to do is what? Certainly not hand them a flower and tell them you love them even though they are miss guided. Now if you manage to have a heart to heart conversation with said nazi, yes that is time to change their person with compassion, however it’s a fine line and people don’t change overnight. All too often there is the mob mentality so this is best done with a tactful approach, head on. Complicated shit
 
Rico, I thought a big part of the reason western folks tend to use long bars is because when they are cutting on the often-steep ground, they can reach thru and make all the cuts from just one side of the tree, avoiding the steep drop off on the other side.

Btw, let's hear more about your NE tree work experiences!
 
There are a few reason we tend to run as long a bar for a given powerhead as we can out here, and steep ground which doesn't make it easy to walk your saw around your tree is one of them...Having enough bar to get through your tree without resorting to double cuts is almost always a good thing.

Treelife in New England was a trip for me. Living in Boston and traveling a few hours to get to work? Fish out of water...Bostonains? Out of their minds! Short trees and super hard wood. Had to adjust my undercut height and file my saw much less aggressively. Other than that tree are trees... Weather was brutal on my tender Norcal ass..Winter wasn't so bad , but the humidity and heat of summer really whopped my ass...the guys I worked with were very good at what they did and were some seriously hard working boys...Had a lot of fun with them. Got reinfected with lyme while there. My grandpa was up the road in Maine so I got to spend a lot of time with him before he passed... The time spent with gramps made the whole trip worth the effort....

By the time we left Boston the wife and I we so ready to get the hell out of there that we drove straight through and didn't make our first real stop until we were in Forrest City Arkansas....A catfish dinner, a few cold beers and a good night sleep and we went nonstop, only pausing for fuel, until we hit the land of milk and honey....Seeing Redwoods, the golden hills of the coastal range, and the smell of the Pacific was like being back in the womb....Home a again, home a again, jiggity jig...
 
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I understand where your coming from with your point. For myself the above of racism, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry. Even if in the spoken word or written word is an act of violence, and deserves to be smashed in the head with a baseball bat.
Obviously most are good people, and many will unwittingly use racist terms (I know I have many time to my surprise). The use of this language perpetuatuates true violence.
I’ve lost people I’m close with due to this violence, in a direct sense so I am passionate. Additionally I’ve lost many more due to the institutional violence language such as this creates to mental health and suicide.
I personally feel you can bash back physically while being compassionate for their ignorance.
Just like the Nazi example. They have a gun to someone head out of ignorance and matter circumstances the right thing to do is what? Certainly not hand them a flower and tell them you love them even though they are miss guided. Now if you manage to have a heart to heart conversation with said nazi, yes that is time to change their person with compassion, however it’s a fine line and people don’t change overnight. All too often there is the mob mentality so this is best done with a tactful approach, head on. Complicated shit
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It is definitely complicated... but there is a central premise that doesn't change. When it is reasonable, don't pretend that people aren't worth reasoning with.

I am not a pacifist.
I have been a trapper and I still eat a lot of wild game and fish. I am not squeamish. I have gained a fairly level head from training in a combat sport and working in the most exhilarating trade. If someone jumps to violence around me, I would have no qualms about reacting with appropriate force.
None of that is important in our current political climate. There has been some infrequent, organized rabble rousing that was violent, but as a whole we can speak freely to anyone who will listen. Assuming that the necessity of violence will be present doesn't help to get anything positive done.
 
SomethingWitty said:
It is definitely complicated... but there is a central premise that doesn't change. When it is reasonable, don't pretend that people aren't worth reasoning with.

I am not a pacifist.
I have been a trapper and I still eat a lot of wild game and fish. I am not squeamish. I have gained a fairly level head from training in a combat sport and working in the most exhilarating trade. If someone jumps to violence around me, I would have no qualms about reacting with appropriate force.
None of that is important in our current political climate. There has been some infrequent, organized rabble rousing that was violent, but as a whole we can speak freely to anyone who will listen. Assuming that the necessity of violence will be present doesn't help to get anything positive done.
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What combat sport if I may ask?
 
Cool post about NE tree work! Who'd ya work with? What do ya mean couple hours travel to work, ya mean from your house to the shop? That would be rough
 
rico said:
There are a few reason we tend to run as long a bar for a given powerhead as we can out here, and steep ground which doesn't make it easy to walk your saw around your tree is one of them...Having enough bar to get through your tree without resorting to double cuts is almost always a good thing.

Treelife in New England was a trip for me. Living in Boston and traveling a few hours to get to work? Fish out of water...Bostonains? Out of their minds! Short trees and super hard wood. Had to adjust my undercut height and file my saw much less aggressively. Other than that tree are trees... Weather was brutal on my tender Norcal ass..Winter wasn't so bad , but the humidity and heat of summer really whopped my ass...the guys I worked with were very good at what they did and were some seriously hard working boys...Had a lot of fun with them. Got reinfected with lyme while there. My grandpa was up the road in Maine so I got to spend a lot of time with him before he passed... The time spent with gramps made the whole trip worth the effort....

By the time we left Boston the wife and I we so ready to get the hell out of there that we drove straight through and didn't make our first real stop until we were in Forrest City Arkansas....A catfish dinner, a few cold beers and a good night sleep and we went nonstop, only pausing for fuel, until we hit the land of milk and honey....Seeing Redwoods, the golden hills of the coastal range, and the smell of the Pacific was like being back in the womb....Home a again, home a again, jiggity jig...
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Nice! I lived in the Hampton Roads area of VA for awhile and felt the exact same as you did when I got back to Appalachia. We are saving up for a trip to CA next year to celebrate our oldest’s HS graduation. Can’t wait to see redwoods!
 
JeffGu said:
I love it when @rico talks techno-saw-babble and posts pictures of his lovely stumps. It beats the hell out of watching his old 8mm film footage of his days working as a Cabaret performer and dressing up as a woman.
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My days as a professional cabaret dancer are long gone, but I still dress up like a woman when the mood strikes me....Lord knows I'm pretty enough?
 
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