Asplundh doing line clearance pruning with spikes

Re: Asplundh doing line clearance pruning with spi

I work for Trees inc. I am just there for a pay check. that being said the work is soooo mundane to me and i really really hate my job at times, so i gotta add some excitement to it. so i climb with out spikes and try to hide my cuts and make only proper cuts. Back on topic to me it seems that the easiest way to get an unskilled person to do the job is to let them use spikes and pruner-whip the trees. and because of the high turnover there is a lot of unskilled guys. in my yard they tend to fire all the guys with experience because they are usually old and slow.
 
Asplundh is not the only big line clearance company that seems to condone the use of climbing spikes to perform their services. The last time that the Davey crew came through our area I spoke with the foreman on the crew and asked them to not use spikes on the Coast Live oak. While I was talking with him his crew spiked up the tree needlessly. The tree is dead now what a shame. I have had to go up and cut it down myself. I now do all of my own trees that are under,over and beside the lines. What a hassle that is to do ever few years. I will not let them come on to the property except to inspect my work. The inspector came out after I cleared them the last time and told me personally that it was the best job that they had ever seen performed on any tree. I then told them that I had over twenty years of exprience working in and around overhead electrical lines and that I was also a certified Arborist. It is a crime that these individuals live in the world of double standard. Where is the law/code enforcement? I respect the difficulty in working in and around power lines but what I witness is laziness,ignorance and unskilled field workers. The trees are treated like cattle and it is unfortunate that we the people have little if no right to complain. The only way to make a change is if enough folks get involved and band together and go right to the top. People in the community need to be informed of the malpractice and make the companies responsible for their poor actions.
I have had many clients have me do their line clearance work and pay me directly because they have been educated to the facts and are upset with the companies that do the work.
I'm a certified line clearance tree trimmer and will always be one because of the inability of the other companies to train their workers better. The problem with training the workers to much is that they will leave the company. That is why the turn over ratio is close to 90 percent in most of the big companies doing line clearance across the nation. Only give the workers enough information to get the job done and nothing more. It helps keep the cost of their operation down so they can get the contract the next time around. A High turn over rate keeps the cost down but it also comes with a high price when it comes to the safety factor and the production issue.
Out here on the West coast we have our own set of challenges as I'm sure everybody does across the nation. I respect the folks out their everyday doing the work but I would also encourage all workers to take the matter in to their own hands and get better training off the job. The world of line clerance has its compronises but we should never compromise our integrity since that is all we have in life. Besides climbing with spikes on around power lines is a very dangerous situation to begin with. Not to mention that they are sharp and very injurious to the body when they poke you in the leg.
Davey and Asplund both have trucks at dte energy behind my house and I see them guys all over spiking trees My only complaint is they prolly don't sanitize after climbing. We do some big oaks that require us to use spikes but we take them off wen we/I (depends who's goin up) get to the tie in point and toss me down and go to work spikeless but I guess my whole thing is I don't like them doin our oak , oak wilt is pretty nasty since I've started climbing I try to beat davey to my oak tree and u know they don't give a dang if they infect anyone's trees


I once knew a guy who knew a guy
 
When you still have foreman who don't wear a harness in a bucket then why would we expect anything better of their climbers using spurs? In my town, the chair and deputy chair of the environmental commission watched any line clearance or street tree pruning to ensure adherence to ANSI standards. They made the effort to educate themselves in all facets of the operations so they'd know what the workers were supposed to do. You need that kind of supervision with many of these companies.
 
With most utility contracts these companies get paid by the span. The faster you do each span the more spans you do, the more money the company makes. Utilities only care about their lines, companies only care about their bottom line, and the climbers in the middle are expected to produce results for both. Unfortunately, that means spurring, topping, and hacking. Where I am (New Brunswick) we have the highest percentage of tree cover of any electrical jurisdiction in North America, so I see all sorts of crap. It's almost painful to drive around here if you're knowledgable and care about trees.
 
Sometimes the utility company wants guys to climb with spikes...
They are a well regulated industry. Do they take the same cavalier attitude toward other regulations governing their industry? What they want is the best price for the best job done. As the contractors who are specialized in the work we have to comply with the regulations. That is where things fall short, the regulations are ambiguous enough to give an out and we are all too willing to let those rules slide. The attitude of, "It's not wrong unless you get caught" is applied instead of here's the line we don't cross.

As for line clearance, its just that, line clearance, not tree care. While vegetation management sounds better it's still the same thing. Trees have been seen only as a resource once they're on the ground and processed for too long. That's the attitude that needs to change.
 
Agreed, people everywhere have this attitude that trees are only worth their timber/firewood, we take care of a nature preserve in town here Gillies Grove (formerly owned by your ancestors maybe), whenever we are removing a hazard tree people start to protest calling us loggers even though there usually isn't a decent piece of wood in the whole tree and everything stays where it falls to promote habitats for animals/ fertilizer for new trees.

I sympathize the utilities, they have a lot of lines to maintain and how do they productively regulate the contractor and still keep their costs low enough to make a profit.
I know of one utility that paid asplundh by the pounds of chips they brought to the dump, worked until the workers started chipping up old Christmas trees, piles of brush, anything they could to add weight to the truck without doing much work.
 
Ontario Hydro had a net income of $803 million on revenues of $6.074 million in 2013 or 13% profit. I think they're doing fine on the cost management side of the deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Hydro Ottawa wasn't in a similar situation.
That being said, they still need to keep an eye on their bottom line. But just imagine if they asked their unionized line men to ignore proper work protocols. Not a chance it would happen and if it did they'd be screwed if found out. But with the trees, meh.

Yeah, the Ottawa lumber baron Gillies are related to the T.O. masonic temple Gillies through a distant family connection. I even ran into one of them at the Ottawa Cancer Foundation, his name, Robert Gillies, MD.....
 
[QUOTE="seedling345, post: 426129, member: QUOTE]We do some big oaks that require us to use spikes
There are better ways to ascend big trees.[/QUOTE]

Pffft.....I'll be half way up as you fiddle with your yarn :rolleyes:

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i am the town arborist for a municipality as well as own and operate a tree service. obvious pruning shouldn't be done with spikes. but i tell the home owners if you cared so much about the tree in front of your house for 35yrs that you lived there then you would have made some effort in a maintenance program. if the arborist needs to have spikes onto perform his duty then so be it.
 
I've yet to climb a tree I "needed" spikes on to prune it. As for the homeowner having a maintenance program for the tree out front of their house, many towns,cities, boros and whatever else prohibit any work being performed on the tree. It's town property. In some places they will with a written request and specific permission granted by the town.
 
I would have to try and find it, we are told to spur climb so we do, I work in the country so we aren't climbing ornamental trees in front yards.
 
Also sometime owe might have 10-15 if not more 100ft plus climbs in a span on thick rough barked eucalypts, it is impossible to cling them with spikes for a profit let alone without.
And while I am currently studying tonne a certified arborist, there is a time and a place for all methods of ascending and working a tree? For us mainly working in the middle of nowhere the most common, practical, efficient and safest way is on spurs unfortunately
 
Reading through this thread I am amazed, horrified and disgusted. Ignorance is no excuse. Laziness is no excuse. Time savings is no excuse. Any person climbing a live tree should not be using spurs. Unacceptable from any professional organization and it harms the tree no matter the location of the tree. Anyone that tries to argue otherwise is being ignorant. The line clearance companies in my area, Asplhund and Davey are butchers. The needless top trees and butcher them in attempts to kill them. The practice of using spurs on anything but a tree coming down or a utility pole is just wrong.
 

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