Ash tree after EAB

jsk

jsk

Location
michigan
I dont post much but I think that this is very important info. It could be life saving for someone maybe. I live In the thumb of michigan St.clair county to be exact and I have been really studying the local ash tree population.

Anyway what I have been discovering from recent storms and downed trees is that some of the ash trees that have been dead for about 3 or so years are developing a white fungus that will make its way into the tree. The fungus seems to go vertically with the stright grain of the tree. Most of the trees have been breaking off from 3ft up to about 10ft up.

Some trees have no tell tale sign of the fungus inside but others do. Any type of fungus growth on the bark is a good sighn that there is interior fungus. I just wanted to tell everyone to please be careful if you have to climb a ash tree. I for one might not climb anymore this year. I have two girls that I intend to walk down the isle someday and dont plan on missing it in order to take down a ash tree.
sorry I dont have pics to post my camera wont pick up the color difference from the fungus to the wood.

Please be safe out
Jason
 
Good post. Just putting the word out there is sometimes all it can take. Make you think how dangerous this job really is. If it wasn't for wind, alot of us would be dead.
 
Great info jomoco. I personally didnt do trees for customers but supplied them with the info and told them about Imidacloprid and told them that they should treat one to twice a year and some people car for the trees and didnt want them to get infected while others showed no concern. I have treated my dads trees for the last 3 yrs with very good results with Imidacloprid. I really hope that the spread is stopped. Our city didnt even try to treat the trees they just cut them all down.
 
I have tried to take pic but for some reason my camers cant really pick up the difference in color to see anything. I will try a different camera this weekend maybe.
jason
 
Jomoco,
I was reading that eab info site from purdue, Michigan and Ill U.s, and read that since the ash is pollinated by wind, its not the tree that you have to be concerned with... its any flowering plants nearby that can take up the herbicide, that become damaging or lethal to bees.. I believe that is what it said, but was only skimming..

I AM more inclined to recommend the tree age injections as they have extremely reliable results and only need to be treated every other year. There is actually some indication that treatment could last up to three years..

Any thoughts???
 
Here's the info:

Ash trees are wind-pollinated and are not a nectar
source for bees. Furthermore, ash flowers are
produced early in the growing season and are
present for only a limited number of days. It is highly
unlikely that bees would be exposed to systemic
insecticides applied to ash.

Flowering plants that are pollinated by bees or
other insects should not be planted immediately
adjacent to ash or other trees that will be treated
with systemic insecticides applied to the soil, as they
may also absorb insecticide. Honey bees and other
insects can be affected when systemic insecticides
are translocated to nectar and pollen. Imidacloprid
is fatal to honey bees when it reaches high enough
concentrations, and can have harmful sublethal
effects at lower concentrations.
There has been much concern recently about
the potential role of imidacloprid and related
neonicotinoid insecticides in colony collapse disorder
(CCD). Research is ongoing to investigate the relative
effects of pesticides, bee pathogens and parasites,
and nutrition on honey bee health. To date there are
no conclusive answers, but researchers have not
been able to establish a link between imidacloprid
and CCD. Stronger evidence implicates a
combination of pathogens as well as other pesticides
used in hives to control pests that afflict bees.
 
Yes Daniel, my thoughts are that without a link to your info complete with references and sources to back its sketchy assumptions, that info is misleading at best, perhaps even fraudulent.

To think that honey bees don't feed on flowering ash trees is downright stupid in my opinion.

And here's my source backing up my common sense thoughts on your info bro.

http://www.networkbees.com/Fraxinus_(ash)_as_a_food_source_for_pollinators.pdf

Any thoughts on that Daniel?

jomoco
 
Okay, I apologise for not realising exactly where you got your info Daniel. It was a sub-section from my own link, in my first post.

Nevertheless, I strongly disagree with their assumption that simply because ash trees are wind pollinated honey bees don't collect pollen from them.

As arborists, we both know that is pure BS.

It's not that hard to wait until the ash flowering season is over before injecting, spraying or drenching the trees with insecticides so that next years flowers will not contain pollen with levels of whatever insecticide as to be lethal to bees, ladybugs, hummingbirds etc.

Given the choice of no ash trees or no bees? I'll take the no ash trees choice every time. Particularly when you consider that all the insecticides in the world injected, sprayed or drenched onto the roots of ash trees may not help them anymore in the long run than the elms wiped out by DED.

But if the honey bee gets wiped out?

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/Imidclprdfate2.pdf

jomoco
 
Tree-age is a great tool for EAB prevention. It's supposed to remain low in the tree, where it is needed, and not all the way out to the tops of the trees like imid. does.


Oh, and Danny, you're missing out on a lot of fun over in the treefree zone. Sure, its all at your expense, but that is what makes it so much fun!


SZ
 
Why have so many countries banned the use of neonicotinoid pesticides guys? Europe, Canada and others? This despite Bayer Corp's awesome teams of lawyers producing fraudulent studies claiming its product's safety in the environment?
Why do these fraudulent studies by Bayer keep getting revised upwards in terms of residual toxicity levels found in plants, soil and water in areas where their products are used?

http://www.honeybeeworld.com/imidacloprid/canada.htm

The hard truth is that money can be used in this country and others to tell and promulgate blatant lies in universities, professional associations and advertisements.

Principles like truth, ethics and honor while conducting business, all seem to take a backseat as the almighty dollar drives America these days.

Kudos go out from me to Canada, Europe and other countries with spine enough to tell Bayer Corp and other amoral corporations to take a hike out of their environmentally fragile ecosystems.

http://www.cbgnetwork.org/3490.html

jomoco
 
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