Anyone conceal carry while working?

[Boomslang]

And then I read stories like this and think, "Maybe guns aren't so bad."

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/...shoots-himself-while-taking-selfies-1.3474672

 

[treehive]

I think I have the right to know WHO is carrying a gun.

I think you have the desire to know who is carrying a gun. if someone told you who was carrying it would actually be a infringement on the persons right to carry concealed if they so choose, which would put you in a position of infringing on millions of peoples actual rights.

but as far as carrying in a tree who cares, sounds miserable, carrying a gun sounds miserable.

I say carry if you want and are allowed...and also thank you! keep the criminals guessing who can defend themselves.

.. imagine.. the right to bear arms as long as you let the yoyo know.

its interesting how when you confuse desires with rights it nearly always ends up in some sort of infringement.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

..... if someone told you who was carrying it would actually be a infringement on the persons right to carry concealed if they so choose....

Is that stated in the Constitution or Bill of Rights?
What are "actual rights", as you call them?
And yes, when I say "I think I have the right..." that is a desire, my desire, notice the "I" as in me, myself, or I.

 

[cerviarborist]

Your right to carry a concealed weapon is secondary to my right as a property owner, or a business owner to say "You're not allowed to do that on my property/job site."

 

[treebing]

How many of these guns that people carry around end up getting stolen and then used in crimes. Pretty much anything I have carried around with me over the years ends up getting lost or stolen or broken. Pocket knives, watches, phones, tools. I used to do a fair amount of hitchhiking and thought it would be a good idea to carry a little mace can. I ended up at a swimming hole and it was attached to my keys which I left by my shoes. I come back and it had entered into the hands of a group of rowdy 10 year olds. I don't find myself particularly abnormally irresponsible, maybe I am. Carrying guns around in daily life just strikes me as careless.

 

[JustinK]

I think I have the right to know WHO is carrying a gun.

It's none of your business. 99% of the people that carry have no intentions of using that weapon unless deadly force is being used against them. Plain and simple.

 

[JustinK]

Your right to carry a concealed weapon is secondary to my right as a property owner, or a business owner to say "You're not allowed to do that on my property/job site."

I'm absolutely pro gun and pro CC, but I'm absolutely pro property rights too. I agree with you.

 

[JustinK]

How many of these guns that people carry around end up getting stolen and then used in crimes. Pretty much anything I have carried around with me over the years ends up getting lost or stolen or broken. Pocket knives, watches, phones, tools. I used to do a fair amount of hitchhiking and thought it would be a good idea to carry a little mace can. I ended up at a swimming hole and it was attached to my keys which I left by my shoes. I come back and it had entered into the hands of a group of rowdy 10 year olds. I don't find myself particularly abnormally irresponsible, maybe I am. Carrying guns around in daily life just strikes me as careless.

Astronomically low. I'm really surprised at the amount of people that are scared of concealed carry. You do realize that those that do it legally are highly and very unlikely to use it in an unlawful manner....to include keeping up with where it's at and how it's stored. Scum that are going to conceal carry to hide it away for murder aren't going to go through the process of getting a lawful permit.


I'm amazed at how scared people are of guns and those that carry them. If they knew the amount of guns around them vs how many they only think there are, they'd see that those of us that conceal carry aren't out for vigilante justice and lawlessness.... Heck I don't watch the news either.


I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. Much like most PPE in tree work.


I don't carry or feel the need to carry at work. So there is that....

 

[treehive]

Your right to carry a concealed weapon is secondary to my right as a property owner, or a business owner to say "You're not allowed to do that on my property/job site."

this is true. as it should be.. your house, your business your rules. but in public,, its public rules.

land owners and business have the right to deny this right.

and just because its not in the constitution does not mean its not a right. a right is anything that we have agreed on, and we all don't have to agree, just enough to make it a law, laws protect rights. its like driving on the highway you have the right to drive on a highway the legal speed limit, that is not in the constitution.



and yes justin, people who are afraid of guns are in total denial. I'm not a fan of the things, but I also know that we have a lot of shootings every night. lots of them. done by people who do not have the right to carry, who have never taken the time to get registered, take the classes, or have already done something that prevents them from getting it. . when I lived in toledo you could hear gun shots all night. the news does not cover them, it would take all night just to list them. the police cannot even locate all the discharges, they don't even chase them.. for this reason I am happy people who are able and willing to legally carry do. . if i had a store I would welcome CCW, well that is not true I would do nothing and there would not be a no carry sign.

i have many friends who carry. as a rule of thumb, they keep their gun on them or locked up. they buy really good holsters. its funny the anti gun movement does not cover the 100's of shooting every night, but one kid gets shot in a range by his dad, who I am sure is devastated, and his dad was not following the rules of the range. its unfortunate and sad but that is one case in the whole country and its all over the news.

everyone does not need to carry all the time for it to work . the real benefit to the CCW movement is the element of the unknown. lets face it most people will carry their entire life and it will be all for not, and Praise God for that. but the criminals know there is a possibility and that is very valuable to all law abiding citizens. in toledo when this thing happened muggings were really common. people would just walk up to strangers and demand money. and then they would beat them. after ccw a few got shot, the news came down on the CCW movement.. but you know what else happened.? muggings dropped right off. there was still scum bag on scumbag violence, but people attacking seemingly law abiding citizens drops way off.



porcupines are really docile animals. if not for their quills. they would be a favorite food for a lot or predators. this is not unlike what we have in our society. we plucked the quills from the porcupines and wonder why the crime rate has been on the rise.

I would feel safer if more people carried than less, but I have faith in humanity....... or I understand numbers.
I really wish young women like my wife carried.. I would not be upset at all if criminals assumed there was a good chance she was carrying. because the possibility is what would deture them.. actually carrying could potentially stop them once they decide to do something.. there is more value in my opinion to deturing.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

It's none of your business. ....

So you are telling me that it is none of my business to know about things next to me that could kill me? I guess that logic only applies to handguns?

99% of the people that carry have no intentions of using that weapon unless deadly force is being used against them. Plain and simple.

It is not their "intentions" I'm trying to protect myself from.

 

[TreeCo]

So you are telling me that it is none of my business to know about things next to me that could kill me? I guess that logic only applies to handguns?

That's right.

It's none of your business. That logic applies to everything legal.

I CC 100% of the time when quoting work.

Always have a gun in the work truck too.

The subject has never come up with a client so I'm guessing they aren't too worried about it..

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

That's right.

It's none of your business. That logic applies to everything legal.

I CC 100% of the time when quoting work.

Always have a gun in the work truck too.

The subject has never come up with a client so I'm guessing they aren't too worried about it..

Well I would agree under current law I have no right to know and I can't know, I'll only hope that everyone that carries is a responsible, careful, well informed, trained in use etc person.
I guess my reasoning comes from when I was a cop and had the right to know and knew the risks involved.
The debate will rage on for sure.
@TreeCo, when I give out the 5g's in cash at Jambo, will you sit next to me and keep me safe. Thanks, you sound like the kind of guy I could trust. (Honestly though, I think someone would be pretty stupid to try to pull off a robbery around a bunch of tree guys!)

 

[TreeCo]

@TreeCo, when I give out the 5g's in cash at Jambo, will you sit next to me and keep me safe. Thanks, you sound like the kind of guy I could trust. (Honestly though, I think someone would be pretty stupid to try to pull off a robbery around a bunch of tree guys!)

I think you need a paid armed guard for that.

You may see me though.

I'll be in the crowd cheering on the competitors!

A bunch of tree guys.......now that would be a thief having a bad day!

 

[treebing]

Anywhere between 200,000 to 500,000 guns stolen per year. Out of 15 million sold. Not insignificant. I wonder how many were stolen out of people's glove compartment while they took a break from keeping us all safe.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Just a thought, I know this argument can't be won and there are very valid points on each side.
Ok, people carrying a weapon, concealed or not, are given the choice to wear an orange vest, like a hunter would wear.
You go into a restaurant and 5 customers are wearing these vests.
Do you feel safer or less? If you were going to rob a restaurant that day, would this be the one?
Next scenario.
Same people, same guns, no vests, same question.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Follow up question.
You are the only guy in the restaurant wearing a vest. Now you know what a cop feels like. (Just a little)

 

[TreeCo]

Just a thought, I know this argument can't be won and there are very valid points on each side.
Ok, people carrying a weapon, concealed or not, are given the choice to wear an orange vest, like a hunter would wear.
You go into a restaurant and 5 customers are wearing these vests.
Do you feel safer or less? If you were going to rob a restaurant that day, would this be the one?
Next scenario.
Same people, same guns, no vests, same question.

When you go into a restaurant and see 5 police officers dining there.

Do you feel safer or less?

I've since moved some distance from two friends of mine and their wives but we six use to dine together. One wife and the three of us guys packing. We'd usually sit in a corner or somewhere where our backs weren't open.

Did we feel safer?

We had talked about it before the 'what if' the restaurant were to be robbed. We all agreed that if the thief presented no danger to our party and did not shoot the employees or other diners in cold blood, that we would take no action at all. Except maybe move our fingers a little closer to the trigger.

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

When you go into a restaurant and see 5 police officers dining there.

Do you feel safer or less?

I've since moved some distance from two friends of mine and their wives but we six use to dine together. One wife and the three of us guys packing. We'd usually sit in a corner or somewhere where our backs weren't open.

Did we feel safer?

We had talked about it before the 'what if' the restaurant were to be robbed. We all agreed that if the thief presented no danger to our party and did not shoot the employees or other diners in cold blood, that we would take no action at all. Except maybe move our fingers a little closer to the trigger.

5 uniformed police officers, yes, I feel safer. We used to eat at many restaurants, not because the food was great as most people think, but because they gave us free food, just the tip. Pretty sure it was because they felt safer too and the word on the street was that the police came there often.
Now if I found out they where vice cops on some kind of stake out......not so much.
Good call with your backs to the wall facing the door. To this day I can't change, my girlfriend knows where I want to sit. Y0u know, it took years before I even felt comfortable walking around carrying anything in my gun hand.
So, three guys walk thru the door at your restaurant with AKs, dressed in tactical black......now what do you do? You, don't need to answer that. We had a guy come to the Atlanta airport with his AK, just because he could. Now that is nuts! I truly respect the right to have firearms and also have little optimism that anything will change so I don't want to loose friends over it. BTW, I suspect your group would be the only ones with one hand under the table, everybody else would have them UP.
Hope you'll say hi, chat and let me buy you a drink at Jambo!

 

[JustinK]

5 uniformed police officers, yes, I feel safer. We used to eat at many restaurants, not because the food was great as most people think, but because they gave us free food, just the tip. Pretty sure it was because they felt safer too and the word on the street was that the police came there often.
Now if I found out they where vice cops on some kind of stake out......not so much.
Good call with your backs to the wall facing the door. To this day I can't change, my girlfriend knows where I want to sit. Y0u know, it took years before I even felt comfortable walking around carrying anything in my gun hand.
So, three guys walk thru the door at your restaurant with AKs, dressed in tactical black......now what do you do? You, don't need to answer that. We had a guy come to the Atlanta airport with his AK, just because he could. Now that is nuts! I truly respect the right to have firearms and also have little optimism that anything will change so I don't want to loose friends over it. BTW, I suspect your group would be the only ones with one hand under the table, everybody else would have them UP.
Hope you'll say hi, chat and let me buy you a drink at Jambo!

I support their right but not their style. I respect your opinion. I just hate the bad apples and in your face types, on both sides.


I promise if I'm carrying, you'll never know unless you compromise my life. I'll do everything in my power to never ever expose the fact that I have a weapon, and hope to God I never ever have to use it in my life. If it's ever pulled or used, it'll be worth it because it will have come down to a "him or me" moment. I'll try to get away and get out of any situation I can, but I'm not oblivious to the fact that some people are simply hell bent on hurting others, for whatever the reason. It's an astronomically low chance that I'll never use it, but I still want the ability should the need arise.


I'm sorry if my remark earlier seemed harsh, I'm just tired of "if it saves just one life" type attitudes and being painted with a broad brush.

I wouldn't want to be known as a hack, just because Jim down the road tops trees and I'm a tree man too, same with fire arms and concealed carry.

I'm a huge proponent of letting common sense rule and less government (laws). we've gotten to the point that we try to legislate that which we can't, and that's morality and common sense.

If things were to reverse, it would be painful, but I think in the long run, we'd be stronger and better off for it.


Sorry, rant over. Nothing personal, I just want my freedoms, and don't believe that my right to bear arms should be limited by those which intend to do harm regardless of the law.

 

[96coal449]

I would feel safer carrying a gun than a phone with 911 on speed dial. I don't have a pistol because I feel I shouldn't have to register one. It's NOBODY's business but mine. I used to carry my AR in the back seat instead till the "safe act" came about. Now I don't feel safe. Believe it or not I pulled it on a guy throwing rocks at my head. This happened at a farm I used to live on. He was irate with his family and decided to make an example with me. BIG MISTAKE! His brother told me before hand he used to be a baseball pitcher, so I was concerned when these egg sized rocks came whizzing by my head. I pulled my gun and dialed the local authority's. The rock raving idiot stood about 50 yrds away, at this point, bent over with his pants to his ankles screaming "shoot me, shoot me, I'll give you a target." The cops were there in minutes, (the station was right around the corner and came quick when I described the situation before hanging up). Now if I was an anti gun preaching yuppie it would have been very ugly .... for me. I'm an easy going guy, and keep to myself pretty much. I don't f**k with people, but I will not tolerate being f**ked with. Not when it comes to physical injury anyway. So, I personally know most of the force from when we were all in school together from years past. One of the cops, also my friend, says to me " you shouldn't bring a gun to a rock fight" lol. I say to him " he shouldn't throw rocks at a guy with a gun." I ended up moving off the farm a month later when I had to pull it on him again letting him know he wasn't welcome near my home.