ABR Rigging Thimbles

Mac is right, that's the problem (if you can call it that) with hard coat anodizing. I think you'd need just the right circumstances, a shit ton of wear and an attitude of chronic negligence to have it become an actual hazard. If you didn't retire a hard coat anodized piece with grooves in it, I'd wonder about the condition of the rest of your gear.
Sounded like tree stuff just didn't find the hard coat to be necessary.
 
wyoclimber said:
If you didn't retire a hard coat anodized piece with grooves in it, I'd wonder about the condition of the rest of your gear.
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Yeah, that's my thinking, as well. If you drive your car with the brakes squeaking, grinding and clunking until they fail and you run into a dump truck, that's not a problem with brakes. That's a failure to believe that mechanical devices wear out, and that they ain't going to hang in there until payday just to avoid inconveniencing you.

macswan said:
...the aluminum under the hard coat, once exposed wears faster than the edges of the hard coat...
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Absolutely. But would anyone really keep using it, once the hard coat was gone? I'm betting a blind guy would notice this right away. But then, I've seen videos of people using gear that was so frayed and worn out it made me shudder. I guess I should have said that this shouldn't be a problem for people of normal intellect, and left it at that.
 
JeffGu said:
Yeah, that's my thinking, as well. If you drive your car with the brakes squeaking, grinding and clunking until they fail and you run into a dump truck, that's not a problem with brakes. That's a failure to believe that mechanical devices wear out, and that they ain't going to hang in there until payday just to avoid inconveniencing you.



Absolutely. But would anyone really keep using it, once the hard coat was gone? I'm betting a blind guy would notice this right away. But then, I've seen videos of people using gear that was so frayed and worn out it made me shudder. I guess I should have said that this shouldn't be a problem for people of normal intellect, and left it at that.
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I doubt heavily that I will ever wear thru the hard coat on my x rings. And I don't see myself buying anything but x rings. Just like I would never buy a saka over a haas. I was just discussing the hard coat thing. It is definitly not something I worry about. I check gear obsessively though.

Maybe tree stuff thinks they are bringing a better product to market, maybe they are who am I to say without comparison, but the bottom line is that they put out as many products as possible to cover every corner of the market. To make money, that's the point. Can't fault them that really, nature of the beast. But I do t need to buy, or even like, every product they come out with.
 
I'm just really surprised that Tree Stuff beat Sherrill to this gimmick. The stamping of the MBS on the ring is a horrible idea in my opinion. For starters the two different sized rings are going to have conflicting MBS. Then your going to have some crazy sob think that well one ring says 25,000 and the other 15,000 that makes 40,000 right... I can just set these rings half way up
the tree and cut this sucker right in half. That is the real worst case scenario not trying to pull it in half when are we arborist ever actually going to attempt that. New low for Tree Stuff!!!
 
How is this any different than the rope companies? They all make a half inch rated 24 strand double braid of the same materials in the same manner just with different colors...

Bring on all the ring brands!

Thank you X Man for the paradigm shift! Friction in the tree equals awesome!
 
TimberJack said:
I'm just really surprised that Tree Stuff beat Sherrill to this gimmick. The stamping of the MBS on the ring is a horrible idea in my opinion. For starters the two different sized rings are going to have conflicting MBS. Then your going to have some crazy sob think that well one ring says 25,000 and the other 15,000 that makes 40,000 right... I can just set these rings half way up
the tree and cut this sucker right in half. That is the real worst case scenario not trying to pull it in half when are we arborist ever actually going to attempt that. New low for Tree Stuff!!!
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How is this any different than the current X-ring slings where the crazy sob doesn't even know the MBS?
 
Boomslang said:
How is this any different than the current X-ring slings where the crazy sob doesn't even know the MBS?
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X has always advertised a swl of cordage not the rings. He also says 10:1 safety factor. So he's stayed on the low safe side of everything. If you are using a tool you should know about the tool, that onus is on the worker. I believe the guys that would misread the MBS stamp and try to take too much in one shot and break things are often referred to as uneducated hacks.
The ring is a thimble so db, TENEX..... Will vary the swl of each sling.
 
wyoclimber said:
Mac is right, that's the problem (if you can call it that) with hard coat anodizing. I think you'd need just the right circumstances, a shit ton of wear and an attitude of chronic negligence to have it become an actual hazard. If you didn't retire a hard coat anodized piece with grooves in it, I'd wonder about the condition of the rest of your gear.
Sounded like tree stuff just didn't find the hard coat to be necessary.
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Does anyone know if Treestuff did any testing? How does the aluminum stand up to sand and grit compared to the coated Xrrs?
 
My "groovy" experience with aluminum Fig8's suggests no ABR ring purchase is imminent. "lifetime warranty" is still a PITA when you are a Canadian who gets to pay $$$ shipping costs on top of a crappy dollar exchange.
Have (and like using) several Antal / X rings, but as photo shows, the anodizing definitely ain't bulletproof either. Rotate ring, and when it gets too worn, then mebbe will introduce Mr. Anodizing to Miss Die Grinder.

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I would like to see the testing done by ABR in terms of friction. I can't imagine how many times a rope would have to run through that thimble to wear it out. The way I see those things, the strength is in the rope not the thimble. A rigging line passing through it would have to create enough force to crush it at the friction point to cause failure. Of course the thinner the thimble gets, the less it would take.

I don't see why anyone would be surprised by TS making a different model. Its not like xman invented them. I understand his attempt to capitalize on them and I applaud him for all the testing and hype but anytime you try to position yourself as a middleman, people will start trying to look behind your back.

If I found some awesome new ascender that was already developed but no one was using in our industry, stamped my name on it and started selling them, I wouldnt expect it to last long.

Let me know if I'm missing something.
 
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KevinS said:
X has always advertised a swl of cordage not the rings. He also says 10:1 safety factor. So he's stayed on the low safe side of everything. If you are using a tool you should know about the tool, that onus is on the worker. I believe the guys that would misread the MBS stamp and try to take too much in one shot and break things are often referred to as uneducated hacks.
The ring is a thimble so db, TENEX..... Will vary the swl of each sling.
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I found this pic to show what I'm talking about. Does TS mark there slings? Or are they selling just rings?
 

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