‘Keeper’ lanyard adjuster

Interesting, especially to those of us who are dedicated tinkerers. I can see where it would be useful for that approximate length of longer lanyard. I often use a 24 footer that I have gotten into the habit of double-daisy chaining to manage. But that does eat up valuable time to redo the chain as well as being slow to deploy, and when I have just let it hang in between use, I have gotten it badly fouled more than once. Probably not so useful a gadget for a normal short lanyard, the double-enders, or the really, really long ones like the H.E.L.L. which often function as a complete second climb system. But given how serious gear addiction can be, I find myself agreeing with Rico. It is SO easy to walk into a candy store like WesSpur and come out insolvent and staggering under the weight of the new goodies.
 
More of the rollers, and it could work the same for longer lanyards... I'm going to assume that he'll offer more versions once he gets the thing into production. I think it's brilliant and useful, but I happen to be gravitating toward a 20-foot long lanyard, as the 15'-16' ones fall a little short of what I need, and the 30' one is a bit more than I need.

Still, regardless of the lanyard length, I'm sure he'll offer more and more versions. I wish him luck, because I think it's a great idea. Maybe not for everyone, but I bet it will sell like hotcakes and some of us are going to love it.
 
rico said:
It seems to be a solution looking for a problem, and in the end the solution is causing problems that didn't exist before the solution?

Create it and make them feel like they can't live without it. There seems to be way too much of this going on in this gear obsessed industry, me thinks.
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I can see Rico’s point, but I think we are too far down the highway (much less the road) to turn back from endless innovations especially the ‘clock in the fountain pen’ style innovations...

I can see an ergonomic use for this thing being as long as the rope doesn’t loop around something like ones leg, it can speedily and without using sight keep the work zone tidy. Add up over the climb it may in certain situations save more time and provide more freedom of movement than expected once climbing style adapts to it...

Interestingly lasers were an invention looking for a problem and now they are used everywhere....
 
Look at the video that @Ronhaden posted. The entire left side of the mans harness is consumed by his lanyard setup for gawd sakes. How is that a good idea? We wont talk about about all the shit that those loops are inevitably gonna get hung up on.

Funny but I dont remember either of those ever being an issue in the last 40 years of letting my lanyard just hang below me?
 
rico said:
Look at the video that @Ronhaden posted. The entire left side of the mans harness is consumed by his lanyard setup for gawd sakes. How is that a good idea? We wont talk about about all the shit that those loops are inevitably gonna get hung up on.

Funny but I dont remember either of those ever being an issue in the last 40 years of letting my lanyard just hang below me?
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Totally agree in the tailored setup. Would likely be handier in pruning than when lugging heaps of gear, and saw placement could pose an issue. But some climbers use multiple harnesses so may not be a problem for them.
 
So as little as I find this useful in my head and within my style of work, I've seen people who this would be awesome for. It definitely solves a problem that some people have with their way of climbing, not saying that a long lanyard is a problem per say.
I personally can not stand extra loops of anything hanging everywhere. I still hate my chainsaw lanyard but have deemed that one a necessary evil.

This all said, if you love a 17'+ long lanyard this thing seems like a buttery smooth way do deal with the lengths.
 
DUUUUUUUUDE!!!!! THAT THING IS ONE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS!!!!!!! That's literally the largest sticker shock I've ever had in my life.... Think about it.. it's a lanyard accessory.. that's all it is.. & he's asking a hundred freaking bucks!! When i first watched the video i said to myself, watch, this thing will be way over priced for like 50-60 bucks.. guess i was way off!

Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
 
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Joeybagodonuts said:
DUUUUUUUUDE!!!!! THAT THING IS ONE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS!!!!!!! That's literally the largest sticker shock I've ever had in my life.... Think about it.. it's a lanyard accessory.. that's all it is.. & he's asking a hundred freaking bucks!! When i first watched the video i said to myself, watch, this thing will be way over priced for like 50-60 bucks.. guess i was way off!

Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
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I would think that the prototypes would be printed but the final product moulded.

Last time I went through the catalogue of any of the Arborist supplies there wasn’t a lot less than $50 and plenty of items that cost a lot more than a hundred. This is for limited product run too which costs more than mass produced.

If it proved useful I would think the cost would be soon forgotten. If ended up a paperweight then would not be forgotten...
 
Yeah that's what I'm asking.. if 3d has come far enough to whereas you don't have to use molds.. but judging by your answer I'm guessing the answer is no..

In one of the videos, he mentioned something about costs & said straight up, 80-100 bucks was what he was shooting for..

You comment about the catalogs is exactly my point when i commented about it being overpriced at 50-60... I feel it reflects the markup that i would expect at a brick & motar retail store... You know, that 300% markup on day one that they can then off load in a month @ 80% off on the clearance rack as if their losing their shirt on it (no pun intended lol..).
Idk... Idk... I have some very strong suspicions & opinions on this type of stuff.

It honestly just looks like something I'd see on a shelf at Target or something for 20-30 bucks.. an laundry trolly for a clothes line? Some dodad or gadget.. but because it's for "arborists", it's automatically a hundred bucks & has nothing even to do with life support or safety.. two of the most expensive things to design for & bring to market.

Idk.. maybe I'm out of line.. maybe I'm not.. i just know a hundred bucks is outrageous.
 
I have only been exposed to polyethylene printed objects and they are great for unstressed items. I am not sure they would stand up to heat exposure or sun exposure and survive long or not as they are significantly porous as each layer is laid at 120 degrees from the last so looks like a stepped honeycomb.

3d printing can be done with nylon (which is stronger) in more expensive machines. But again I couldn’t speculate on the intrinsic properties because I haven’t researched this process.

3d printing is a lot cheaper than moulding or machining solid plastics. Prototyping is where 3d printing really shines.

As details on final product yet to be released speculation is a little pointless.

Remember products on a shelf are typically mass manufactured and made more cheaply. Limited production runs are different animals unless most of the resources are donated to see the product come to life.
 
Burrapeg said:
I often use a 24 footer that I have gotten into the habit of double-daisy chaining to manage. But that does eat up valuable time to redo the chain as well as being slow to deploy,
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Daisy-chain starting at the tail/ standing-end.

Clip the partially-'chained' lanyard onto a biner with one of the 'chained' loops, and after some more 'chaining', clip to the same biner farther down the lanyard, and after more chaining, you can clip it again to prevent it from coming loose, giving a fixed length to work with. I have a 40'-ish lanyard for using on spreading trees. Mostly, I let it dangle, but sometimes only want to have 10' on the working-end, and the rest stowed.

When you need that biner, its available, too. That biner might carry an extra sling or whatever.

Multi-purpose. Free.


Scuba hose clips are popular, and cheap. I bought some, but never tried them.
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
So as little as I find this useful in my head and within my style of work, I've seen people who this would be awesome for. It definitely solves a problem that some people have with their way of climbing, not saying that a long lanyard is a problem per say.
I personally can not stand extra loops of anything hanging everywhere. I still hate my chainsaw lanyard but have deemed that one a necessary evil.

This all said, if you love a 17'+ long lanyard this thing seems like a buttery smooth way do deal with the lengths.
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I could see this thing possibly ending up like the self rescue system with a netting like sheath around the loops to stop the loops tangling in anything once holstered...
 
I think this product looks like a good but overpriced solution. My solution? I climb with a really short lanyard (8-10 feet) and then extend it with an ART Snake Tall in situations where I need more length. In Portland where most of my work is the trees are often quite large and this usually works very well.
 
I see it as just the opposite, Chaplain. Haul systems like the Petzl Jag that encapsulate all the tangle-prone loops, are a good example of the need for doing so. Adding multiple loops to a climbing harness does not look like a great idea to me.
 
Joeybagodonuts said:
DUUUUUUUUDE!!!!! THAT THING IS ONE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS!!!!!!! That's literally the largest sticker shock I've ever had in my life.... Think about it.. it's a lanyard accessory.. that's all it is.. & he's asking a hundred freaking bucks!! When i first watched the video i said to myself, watch, this thing will be way over priced for like 50-60 bucks.. guess i was way off!

Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
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I can garauntee you it would cost you more than 100 in time and materials to make one yourself. Therefore its a bargain if you want one.
 
DSMc said:
I see it as just the opposite, Chaplain. Haul systems like the Petzl Jag that encapsulate all the tangle-prone loops, are a good example of the need for doing so. Adding multiple loops to a climbing harness does not look like a great idea to me.
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I think thats what I meant by the sheath comment. As it is there is possible entanglement issues, but this may yet be refined. I myself will not be forking out the cash just to prove it is useful or not. But I am interested in the concept.

I have seen many longer lanyards get entangled, even if daisied (and I have seen where long lanyards in daisied loops arent much cleaner than this) which is why some climbers have the second system in a bag in those situations where entanglement is an issue. But if this can be refined to be a quick, reliable, and ergonomic tool that doesnt entangle or create a mess I can see its application.
 
jmcscrap said:
Picked up one of these at the state fair - shortened to about 3" - does the job of looping 20' of lanyard no problem.

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I bought a couple of these on eBay as soon as I saw this post. Just came yesterday. These things are definitely a possibility for lanyard storage and also maybe hanging them in the van. And they seem great for their intended use too, of hanging power cords in the shop.
 
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Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
Just out of curiosity.. can you make stuff like this with a 3D printer these days? Are the injected polymers strong enough?
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The one he is using and shows on his website was 3D printed. For sure you can make one that way, most anything that can be molded from plastic can be printed and today’s printers can use a really wide variety of plastics.
 
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