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  1. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    What about retirement or investment? If all cost are recovered and service providers are fairly compensated who is the victim of this "thief". Making money, being paid, compensation, profit seems like the same thing.
  2. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Median house cost St Paul MN 284k. Median house cost Boulder CO 950k. Median house cost for CA 600k. National average 320k.
  3. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Thanks for the feed back. Yeah $600 is high but warranted at times. $800 is high and would be very exceptional senerio. $1400?
  4. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Do you pay $1200 to $1400 for a sub?
  5. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Working hard is part of the job, just like being on time, not breaking things etc. These arent attributes you get paid extra for. I personally am not complaining about high rates because I dont pay those crazy numbers. When I say high rates I mean $600-$$800. I wouldnt even classify the numbers...
  6. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Ryan you make my point, no doubt you are worth the money you charge. 3-5 days a years you charge a very high rate for what no doubt is a burly job, totally exceptable. Yes I have balked lately at a few prices from a crane company I have used for years. The work hasnt changed just their...
  7. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    So, seems as though there is 2 conversations here. Senerios like Ryan is talking about higher rates are warranted. I appreciate Ryans honesty without divulging exact numbers. Other people here are making the point that $800-$1400 is the normal going rate for regular tree work. I define regular...
  8. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Ryan I agree with everything you are saying here. West coast, high risk trees nobody else wants is altogether a different matter. The point I am making here is regarding standard tree work and $1400 a day sounds like a ridiculous number.
  9. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Every year I keep hearing bigger and bigger sub rates at an increase that is going to send this indusrty over a cliff in this country. Is next year going to be $1800 a day? We are working on trees. Which is hard work and can be dangerous I get that. But when people are trying to say their value...
  10. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    I can do the work myself also. I only hire subs on bigger pruning jobs when it makes sense to pay a sub and get the work done sooner generally shaving off a day which increases my profit margin. $400 -$600 is my abosolute ceiling though. Above that it doesnt make sense to pay that much. These...
  11. owScott

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    $1400 a day for a climber? 5k a day for a 3 man crew with basic equipmnet? Really? Any business owners here paying $1400 a day for a climber? Anyone else charging 5k for 3 person crew? These seem like ridiculous numbers to me.
  12. owScott

    Frustrating things people do on a job......

    I agree that drives me crazy. The groudie should pull the rope up when I am ready. Its mental laziness to just start pulling the rope up without seeing if the climber is ready. Causes me stop stop what I am doing to grab the rope and worst case it can pull through the lowering point. A stoper...
  13. owScott

    Tree Id help

    Chinese pistache
  14. owScott

    Tree Company Owners that aren't tree guys...

    These types grate me. Doing bad work you know is wrong is on you, not these guys fault, they are scabs on the industry money being their sole motivation, stop enabling them. 2nd these companies are forced to hire sub climbers at what ever rate they want, because they cant do the work, creating...
  15. owScott

    Do you ever call a job off if you’re not feeling it mentally?

    " I need to schedule" simple. If they ask why " staffing issue". If they push past that " I dont care to go into it". None of this is false or lying just short and simple. I dont feel people need more info than that. I feel the real conversation here isnt how you reschedule but why. Viewing it...
  16. owScott

    Today....

    Actually I really like gray pines, they get big and grow really crazy which can make they challenging. John travels alot and still does his Alaska boat trips. He doesnt do much climbing anymore, he is pushing mid seventies. Have you seen or talked to John Elliott lately? Been a few years since...
  17. owScott

    Today....

    Been a quite a few years since I worked over the water canals. John and I did alot of work for the county. Anyhow all good out here. Will be back for my nephews wedding within the year we should meet up. My avitar here is a gray pine at Marshall state park, Kipping took the pic.
  18. owScott

    Today....

    Sweet Dan. I did a bunch of that years ago working for Kipping. I really miss the Oaks. Love me a big black oak. Hope you are well.
  19. owScott

    Disenchantment with the industry.

    I can appreciate other peoples responses here ,but to be entirely honest 30 years old and only 5 years deep and you are burnt out I would consider moving on while you still have time to create another career. I have seen to many 15-20 year guys burnt and angry but stuck. Me personally I am 35...
  20. owScott

    Debt to profit ratios

    I agree with everything you just said. You will not be in debt long. I hear people say they will not buy on credit and will save the money to buy the equipment. You will get to the $ amount needed for the equipment way quicker using the equipment to get there. Smart business people manage...

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