I agree best not to drag that all up again.
I am not talking about the child aspect here. I highlighted your comment specifically about adults doing what they want and not asking you to participate. You are over complicatimng my point. Let adults do what they want. Preganent women over 18 are adults. Regardless of what your opinion on their actions, no matter how much you think it is your business, stop your participating in their lives. Just as you request that others dont ask you to participate in theirs. Forced particiaption you want it or you dont? Surely you can see the contradiction.
But you are completely missing one aspect, the child/baby in the womb. I agree let the adult do and live how they want, as long as they are not directly effecting or influencing a child/baby. Or asking me to affirm/support their biological and genetic lie.
Sorry, wasn't trying to redebate the abortion issue. I could substitute gay marriage for abortion and make the same point. I was just pointing out contradictions. Point taken, I will move on.
I would argue that the phoney left/right paradigm that so many have bought into is the real distraction. The tribalism and ideological conformity of the so-called "left" vs. the so-called "right" is both fascinating and horrifying. The absolute hatred and vitriol that one half of the US seems to have for the other half is sad. I'm not that old, but I'm old enough to remember when people had actual optimism about the future. Before everyone and their brother started looking to the government to solve all their problems.
Loonie is putting it politely.. transphobe bigotry is more adept.
Agreed. But here it’s well beyond “decline to support” more so I get to tell others what to do with their bodies and or their identities are invalid
So you are not opposed to gay marriage then...
Do I think it is a sin? Yes, so in that way I'm opposed to it. No different then any other sin one would do constantly and willingly. But if they want to live that way, that is on them. Doesn’t mean I won't speak out about the sin, as I would to a drug addict , murderer, adultery, etc.
Lets can the verbal gymnastics. Direct question, would you vote for legisaltion givng gay people the right get married? Go ahead and insert civil union for marriage here to simplify it for you.
Would I vote for it no, because that is asking me to participate and affirm it...like making a wedding cake for them. I feel that is quite obvious because I said I shouldn't be force to do a cake, said it was a sin, etc.
"Somewhat friends" is disingenuous, dishonest and phony. What is that? Disdain with a thin veneer of fake friendliness to facilitate the making of money. How would making a cake for someone be forcing anything on you any more than doing their tree work? I am guessing because it involves marriage. What if this gay couple said they wanted their trees pruned because they were having the wedding there and getting married under the trees you pruned? How about making a birthday cake for a gay person? Refusing service to someone on these grounds is discrimination plain and simple. Just because you attach " religious liberties " to it doesnt give a pass to violate the law. What is religious liberties anyway? Seems like its being used as a pass to do things that are not lawful or not decent. What would Jesus do? would he resfuse service to someone because they were sinners? Didnt he wash the feet of a sinner. For that matter how do you provide service to anyone after all everyone is a sinner in your view.
They have changed biologically. They have all the proper parts you consider male and female parts.
I appreciate your direct anwser. I am ok with being in disagreement. I choose to not worry what other people do. I focus on being the best person I can be and treating people right and taking care of my family. I think we may have some common ground there. Just a different approach.
And there it is. THE JUDGMENT! Forget life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Equal protections? Please. That stuff only applies to us gawd fearing heterosexual folks. A truly despicable stance which is as unAmerican as it gets, and very reminiscent of blacks not being allowed to vote, sit next to you at restaurant, or sip water from the same fountain.
Um...voting for or not voting for issues you care about is the most American thing. To label someone 'un-American' because they have a differing belief system is about as un-American as it gets. But it's pretty standard fare these days.
Would I vote for a law that allows peolple to burn the flag and kneel for the national anthem, yes. Would I personally ingage in this behavior, as a veteran most definately not. Freedom doesnt mean I must agree on like it. What these people are doing doesnt effect you but only in your mind.
