The Past 4 Years

[ChippingHipsters]

I've disliked him for a long time before he got political. He is one of the most awful people...ever. A total waste of oxygen.

Show me a redeeming quality he has.

Neither did I. I'm a Boston boy. That New York, In-Your-Face, Pinky-Ring Thug style ain't my pint of beer either. But his record for completion, performance and quality Before office is remarkable. A bully who gets things done!
I don't let superfluous stuff like a personality get too much play in my measure of the job.
Yeah, I'd be nice to have a George Washington in there, but til one of those comes along, I want a Hot Saw cutting that swamp to pieces.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

What exactly do you consider remarkable or a raving success?? Because reality and fact is different then belief and opinion.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

But his record for completion, performance and quality Before office is remarkable. A bully who gets things done!

What?!

What record?! Bankruptcies...multiple...refusing to pay for work done by contract? I don't abide bullies. Performance? Is that why so many of his logos have been taken off buildings around the world?

You've been hoodwinked by his flash.

Tell me about the quality of the NJ casinos. Which are still in operation? How much money are they making?

 

[ChippingHipsters]

I've disliked him for a long time before he got political. He is one of the most awful people...ever. A total waste of oxygen.

Show me a redeeming quality he has.

He has great kids. They're not criminals; they're hard workers and they're loyal to their family. Trump raised his kids to be quality people. That's something this modern society could use more of.

 

[climbingmonkey24]

Not sure if you’re serious or just trolling us now...

 

[owScott]

Right out of the Trump play book, play the victim. He was such a raving success that he lost the election by 7 million votes. You seem to be trying to sell this hogwash by the pound.

Past wrongs by any groups or individuals, race or other , should be immaterial to how we live today. Quite possibly the most absurd statement ever expressed here IMO. Lets dissect, past wrongs, exterminating Jews, by any group, the Nazi's, should be immaterial, meaning it doesnt matter, to how we live today, meaning it would be ok to contnue this today. Then you go on to say , the past is meant to be learned from. If the past is immaterial why should we learn from it. These 2 statements are contradicting. These are your words I am just trying to understand what you are saying. The past is immaterial but the past is meant to be learned from makes no since.

We obviously feel very passionate about our respective beliefs. I respect your engagement and vigorous defense. This is the kind of repartee that builds understanding and brings us that much closer to change in our world. Provocative as it may be, it really IS, (as the crowd likes to say) the 'conversation' that needs to take place.
a good scrap, hillbilly.

Before we move on, could you make an attempt to clarify the contradiction that I painstakingly point out. It is only 1 example of the constant confusion and contradictions in your posts. Without clarification this isnt a conversation, its just one side making random statements.

 

[ChippingHipsters]

What?!

What record?! Bankruptcies...multiple...refusing to pay for work done by contract? I don't abide bullies. Performance? Is that why so many of his logos have been taken off buildings around the world?

You've been hoodwinked by his flash.

Tell me about the quality of the NJ casinos. Which are still in operation? How much money are they making?

Bankruptcies are are part of the imperfect world of business. I'm sure he didn't want to take that route, but without it, our great risk takers and creators would never have built this country. An old plumber once told me: "ya'got two types of people in this world...Pumps and Drains.". Bankruptcies help keep the 'pumps' in business.
As for the logos, there are petty haters that pull down his name out of spite, but the vast majority of organizations do it because ""its business...nothing personal"

 

[owScott]

He has great kids. They're not criminals; they're hard workers and they're loyal to their family. Trump raised his kids to be quality people. That's something this modern society could use more of.

So much for conversation, thats pure rubbish.

 

[ChippingHipsters]

So much for conversation, thats pure rubbish.

one man's opinion.

 

[owScott]

Bankruptcies are are part of the imperfect world of business. I'm sure he didn't want to take that route, but without it, our great risk takers and creators would never have built this country. An old plumber once told me: "ya'got two types of people in this world...Pumps and Drains.". Bankruptcies help keep the 'pumps' in business.

Bankruptices are to be avoided, Trump uses bankruptcies as a tool in business. Once twice maybe, but multible times. I think 4 times. By the way in bankruptcies other people get screwed out of money. Trump figured that out. You seem to be gravely misinformed regarding Trumps past business. Your defination of self made is inheriting 40 million.

one man's opinion.

 

[rico]

Bankruptices are to be avoided, Trump uses bankruptcies as a tool in business. Once twice maybe, but multible times. I think 4 times. By the way in bankruptcies other people get screwed out of money. Trump figured that out. You seem to be gravely misinformed regarding Trumps past business. Your defination of self made is inheriting 40 million.

To be clear Donny inherited and stole over $400,000,000 from Daddy Dearest...

 

[ChippingHipsters]

Not sure if you’re serious or just trolling us now...

I know there's NO way you can separate the kids from the father. Their lives are pretty much out there for all to see (and attack) and nobody's been caught in the motel room with the proverbial 'live boy or a dead girl' ever. They love their kids and do their part. Of course, being Trumps, they're automatically disqualified from being good people, right?

 

[owScott]

one man's opinion.

True, his kids are not relevent. But what about the question I have posed? Do you see what I mean about distract, and arguing in a box. This is what you keep doing. This is trolling not conversation.

 

[ChippingHipsters]

To be clear Donny inherited and stole over $400,000,000 from Daddy Dearest...

Why not just say he stole everything there is to steal? That would be REAL bad, wouldn't it? Jeez...

 

[owScott]

To be clear Donny inherited and stole over $400,000,000 from Daddy Dearest...

Yeah something crazy like that. I think the game here is just keep rambling statement after statement that fact checking them isnt realistic time wise and dont address direct questions about your own words that dont even make sense.

 

[rico]

Your the dishonest man who claimed that Trump was a "self-made man"... Simply pointing out the a $400,000,000 head start is anything but "self-made.

A quick search of Donny Jr and Ivanka would reveal their little Soho fraud scheme...And the payoff that saved them from felony charges...

https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment

They are their fathers children after all-

https://www.businessinsider.com/25-...fraud-lawsuit-against-trump-university-2018-4

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2018/02/06/17-55635.pdf

 

[ChippingHipsters]

True, his kids are not relevent. But what about the question I have posed? Do you see what I mean about distract, and arguing in a box. This is what you keep doing. This trolling not conversation.

What is this 'distract' and 'arguing in a box'? I promote my ideology and criticize the news of the day. Allowing for imperfect communication skills; and an average command of the facts, my arguments are made in the hopes of full transparency and clarity. No evasion or boxes involved.
These kinds of debates outside rarely happen without someone eventually taking a swing, so mutual growth never happens. Your zeal and perspective provide me the motivation to assess my arguments like nothing else out there and to hopefully present them in a more coherent fashion. This is good stuff, even IF you're fighting a loosing battle! ...Now c'mon, THAT was kinda funny!

 

[ChippingHipsters]

Your the dishonest man who claimed that Trump was a "self-made man"... Simply pointing out the a $400,000,000 head start is anything but "self-made.

A quick search of Donny Jr and Ivanka would reveal their little Soho fraud scheme...And the payoff that saved them from felony charges...

Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. Were Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud

New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.

www.propublica.org

How Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump, Jr., Avoided a Criminal Indictment

Manhattan prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. got a visit from a campaign donor: Trump’s personal lawyer.

www.newyorker.com

They are their fathers children after all-

Judge signs off on $25 million settlement in lawsuit against 'fraudulent' Trump University

“Victims of Donald Trump’s fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve,” said New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

www.businessinsider.com

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2018/02/06/17-55635.pdf

A Justice Department prosecutor once bragged "I could indict a ham sandwich". Those headlines aren't worth the ink they're printed with.

 

[owScott]

Your the dishonest man who claimed that Trump was a "self-made man"... Simply pointing out the a $400,000,000 head start is anything but "self-made.

A quick search of Donny Jr and Ivanka would reveal their little Soho fraud scheme...And the payoff that saved them from felony charges...

https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment

They are their fathers children after all-

https://www.businessinsider.com/25-...fraud-lawsuit-against-trump-university-2018-4

https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2018/02/06/17-55635.pdf

Confused, is this directed at chippy ?

What is this 'distract' and 'arguing in a box'? I promote my ideology and criticize the news of the day. Allowing for imperfect communication skills; and an average command of the facts, my arguments are made in the hopes of full transparency and clarity. No evasion or boxes involved.
These kinds of debates outside rarely happen without someone eventually taking a swing, so mutual growth never happens. Your zeal and perspective provide me the motivation to assess my arguments like nothing else out there and to hopefully present them in a more coherent fashion. This is good stuff, even IF you're fighting a loosing battle! ...Now c'mon, THAT was kinda funny!

Arguing in a box means you keep avoiding answering direct question regarding your own words. You have 4 -6 go to responses. deny, distract (change subject) play the victim. The box is we get no where with understanding your points, we just go in circles listening to you make unclarified statements. They may make sense to you but from here they are confusing. If you cant have the other side at least understand what you are saying whats the point.I Refer you to my on going question many posts ago. Here lets try this. Ask me a question about a statement I have made that you need clarified.

 

[owScott]

What is this 'distract' and 'arguing in a box'? I promote my ideology and criticize the news of the day. Allowing for imperfect communication skills; and an average command of the facts, my arguments are made in the hopes of full transparency and clarity. No evasion or boxes involved.
These kinds of debates outside rarely happen without someone eventually taking a swing, so mutual growth never happens. Your zeal and perspective provide me the motivation to assess my arguments like nothing else out there and to hopefully present them in a more coherent fashion. This is good stuff, even IF you're fighting a loosing battle! ...Now c'mon, THAT was kinda funny!

This is hardly fighting or even close to a battle for me. This is just restating your own words and watching you come back with zero reasonable response. Are you struggling that much with this that you refer to this as a battle. I operate in the real world, this is about as stressful as horse shoes. I am not here to promote anything. I am here to point out through your own words how ineffective your promotion is.