New Toro Tx 1000 Wide Track

ROYCE said:
I wonder how those would do pushing compared to a mini track machine. That is the biggest advantage IMO about the minis. They have tracks, tracks haves more surface area and can push, like seriously push. How would one of those be in snow? I just pushed a frozen snowbank back 15 feet, uphill pushing. Not problem. I am not convinced the articulating loaders can do that? Can someone post a video. Also, how would they be in the woods? Like native New England forests where you have a foot or more of soft organic matter. Wheels seam to just dig in and get stuck.
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They do not like super soft ground. I have pulled out my machine 3 times in 15 years.
 
ROYCE said:
I wonder how those would do pushing compared to a mini track machine. That is the biggest advantage IMO about the minis. They have tracks, tracks haves more surface area and can push, like seriously push. How would one of those be in snow? I just pushed a frozen snowbank back 15 feet, uphill pushing. Not problem. I am not convinced the articulating loaders can do that? Can someone post a video. Also, how would they be in the woods? Like native New England forests where you have a foot or more of soft organic matter. Wheels seam to just dig in and get stuck.
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I plow snow with my mini and have a power angle plow for it. It does greeeeeeaaaaat.
 
The tractive effort/pushing power/torque of a mini articulating loader isn't a strong point. It's exacerbated when you have one of the tires off the ground since each tire has a wheel motor and with one off the ground you reduce your tractive torque by 1/4. Larger wheel loaders, like the Gehl 340 and 540, have a single hydraulic motor with a driveshaft and standard axles front and rear. With differential locks, you can send all the machine's available torque to a single wheel, meaning a tire off the ground just reduces traction, not torque.
 
ROYCE said:
I wonder how those would do pushing compared to a mini track machine. That is the biggest advantage IMO about the minis. They have tracks, tracks haves more surface area and can push, like seriously push. How would one of those be in snow? I just pushed a frozen snowbank back 15 feet, uphill pushing. Not problem. I am not convinced the articulating loaders can do that? Can someone post a video. Also, how would they be in the woods? Like native New England forests where you have a foot or more of soft organic matter. Wheels seam to just dig in and get stuck.
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I'm guessing your bucket is probably 1/4 the size I use 1.5 yd. If you can push it then trust me, a 7500 lb loader will and more, 9/10 times. Unless maybe you need to drive through 3ft snow without plowing through first. The tracks may stay on top better. There can't be traction without weight when pushing. That's why you don't see guys driving plow trucks with huge wide truck tires, not enough foot print pressure. I'm sure your mini does good.
 
Tanner28 said:
I'm guessing your bucket is probably 1/4 the size I use 1.5 yd. If you can push it then trust me, a 7500 lb loader will and more, 9/10 times. Unless maybe you need to drive through 3ft snow without plowing through first. The tracks may stay on top better. There can't be traction without weight when pushing. That's why you don't see guys driving plow trucks with huge wide truck tires, not enough foot print pressure. I'm sure your mini does good.
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I have never used one. What I have experience with is a 10K pound skid steer. Wheels. I cleared my house lot with it, got stuck all the time. Couldn't even think about taking it into the woods. These loaders kinda remind me of the skid steer.
Again, it all depends on your market and what your up against. I know companies in Cambridge, Ma who need to be zero impact. I can obtain that with my mini skid with tracks. For the larger application I use a Kubota tractor. I like the ability to drag 6K pounds of wood out of the woods, plus the attachments for the rear PTO are endless. Not to mention a grapple in the front is a huge advantage.
 
I guess if your driving over logs and creeks it may not work as good as a track machine. Zero impact is no problem with turf tires. It seems a person must really need to see first hand just how these loaders work. They won't fill every niche of course but are great. Huge misconception on stability also I feel, but again time spent with one can really prove this. I've got guys in town that I simply destroy on ground work. I tell them over and over what these machines will do. But they never watch it work so they end up overlooking what I'm saying as hype it seems. It's just sad for me to see them work so hard..lol. If anyone is interested you should see one properly equipped with turf tires and a bypass grapple work. I agree though to that a mini has its place, and works great for many people.
 
Tanner28 said:
I guess if your driving over logs and creeks it may not work as good as a track machine. Zero impact is no problem with turf tires. It seems a person must really need to see first hand just how these loaders work. They won't fill every niche of course but are great. Huge misconception on stability also I feel, but again time spent with one can really prove this. I've got guys in town that I simply destroy on ground work. I tell them over and over what these machines will do. But they never watch it work so they end up overlooking what I'm saying as hype it seems. It's just sad for me to see them work so hard..lol. If anyone is interested you should see one properly equipped with turf tires and a bypass grapple work. I agree though to that a mini has its place, and works great for many people.
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The reality is that you need one of every piece of equipment. Seriously. Take a good mechanic. He has every tool you can imagine. If someone tells him this new wrench will work great for this application and only this application, you can bet he has it in his tool box. It is the same with us, however it comes down to price. If you have 25K to spend and a machine costs that much then you do your homework and buy the one that suits your needs.
My goal is to have one of each (mini and articulating loader) and a tractor and a skid steer. That is the advantage of being in business for a long time. If you can add a new piece of equipment every year, and take good care of your fleet then in 10-20 years you'll have all the tools to get the work done. #Goals!!

Their is a construction company that is in my town. Super nice guys. They have about 5 workers. However, they have a tremendous amount of equipment. All brand new, in super nice shape. They mow, excavate, hay, maple sugar, plow snow, sell cord wood etc, etc. Like they have 9 tractors just so they don't have to switch attachments between tractors. They have 7 excavators, skid steers, loaders, dump trucks, lulls, etc...The list goes on and on. But, they can do almost any job that is thrown in front of them. They make money by being efficient and having the right tool for the job. This has come from years of working and taking care of their equipment Again, #goals!!
 
ROYCE said:
Their is a construction company that is in my town. Super nice guys. They have about 5 workers. However, they have a tremendous amount of equipment. All brand new, in super nice shape. They mow, excavate, hay, maple sugar, plow snow, sell cord wood etc, etc. Like they have 9 tractors just so they don't have to switch attachments between tractors. They have 7 excavators, skid steers, loaders, dump trucks, lulls, etc...The list goes on and on. But, they can do almost any job that is thrown in front of them. They make money by being efficient and having the right tool for the job. This has come from years of working and taking care of their equipment Again, #goals!!
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Lots of equipment doesn't mean they are doing well financially. However, I am always a skeptic about a company's financial stability.
 
track machines definitely work better in forest soils and on hills

I had this little Kanga Tank for a while it was better on hills then my wheeled minis,

The plastic track left no marks on driveways was easy on turf, but was terrible in the snow

Skip to 1:00 in the video for a laugh

 

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tnttree said:
track machines definitely work better in forest soils and on hills

I had this little Kanga Tank for a while it was better on hills then my wheeled minis,

The plastic track left no marks on driveways was easy on turf, but was terrible in the snow

Skip to 1:00 in the video for a laugh

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Made my day. She's a great operator! A lot of folks would have bailed and been run/slid over, lol, and she knows what she needs to do to back into the garage.
 
True Colb, I have known of adults jumping off a machine/semi just because it was sliding and they didn't know what to do. Both were crushed by their machines before they gently came to rest and sat idling away.
 
I was always Curious how the tracks did on those... Ive had real good luck with my kanga. Very rarely do we bring the new holland ls180 out. It tears up the lawn. I think as was said earlier if you can have both that would solve all your needs! Id like to get rid of the new Holland and replace with a 6? Series avant.. By the way my kanga has an edge on all the ramrods, dingos, bobcats and vermeers in my area. These are all older series machines like mine, i haven't had a tx1000 series to demo yet.. I really would like to go to a track style machine. I cheated by modifying it a bit with a weight kit and larger bucket.
 

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