ZigZag Issue Again...

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To be honest, I don't care if the pins and e-clips are rusted, petzl should've taken this into account when making the product (when choosing materials).
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Whether wet or dry. When it come to lift support, the product should be capable during any conditions. It makes me sick knowing people are putting there life on the line when the product already failed once. I just had to vent. Climb on it if you will. Petzl should make there customers sign a waver. Climb at your own risk.
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Material selection isn't the problem. Pretty good indicator of how someone takes care of their gear though. I've got ascenders and ropegrabs that have worked near and over salt covered roads all winter for years that look better than that pic. Keep in mind how/why the first ones failed.
 
I'm glad the pic was posted and it looks like petzl has seen it and is responding. I'll be surprised to see this become a common problem.

Too many threads here become really polarizing or have the sky falling.. this place really needs to lighten up.
 
I agree Adam, just something to look for when doing inspections. I would like to see some photos of the rope and the binner it was hooked to also. It could be a quality issue, I am just not sure if it is Petzl's quality or the quality of the operator using it. As far as rust.....Stainless steel does rust, it still contains iron. Although that thing looks like it has been beat to hell. The scratches on the side and the rivets don't t look like they came from a month in the trees. Maybe the trees were petrified, what do I know.

Frank
 
why use a zigzag over a unicender? I haven't tried a zigzag but just guessing its about the same ride, although the uni is mid-line attachable and you can use it SRT. What am I missing? Oh yeah and the uni is fully vetted and field tested.
 
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why use a zigzag over a unicender? I haven't tried a zigzag but just guessing its about the same ride, although the uni is mid-line attachable and you can use it SRT. What am I missing? Oh yeah and the uni is fully vetted and field tested.

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Not mid-line attachable is another reason I was turned away from the zigzag. Would love to fly the uni someday.
 
Never needed to have it midline attachable. Have never untied and retied a hitch in a tree either. What am I missing? Dot know much about the uni. I'll have to check it out. Just seemed a little bulky looking at the pics. I'll take another look.
 
Steve if you are not concerned about the mid-line use than maybe the ZZ is the tool for you although I still think the Uni is a better product, more versatile and very tough.
 
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Never needed to have it midline attachable. Have never untied and retied a hitch in a tree either. What am I missing? Dot know much about the uni. I'll have to check it out. Just seemed a little bulky looking at the pics. I'll take another look.

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Everybody has their own style, personally I have few climbs that I am NOT reattaching my climbing device. I've tried a lot of things just to understand how they work but I have found the Uni to be most useful. When you refer to "bulk" I consider the real estate on the rope in front of my torso extremely valuable and look for a tool that works and also occupies a minimum of THAT space, few tools take less space on that rope to accomplish what it does. I can take fast and long descents that would surly glaze a hitch every time. Both DdRT and SRT are important to me, often I will reach my TIP SRT and then use the tail DdRT to traverse or simply advance to the next pitch. Base anchor, canopy anchor, tall trees, wide canopy, tall redwoods and doug firs or cebos in the tropics I have yet to find a device that works as well.
Currently playing with the rope runner and see some real potential there to rival the Unicender but the jury is still in deliberation on that.
 
I have found that in the trees I climb I can lanyard in and move my device wherever I want to. I have never in 15 years untied a friction hitch in the tree. I'm not saying anything other than I haven't. You have to understand where i'm coming from though. Self tought climber. Lots of classes and lots of reading. I have never worked with another climber on a job site that even heard of the Buzz or for that matter was an Arbo. I have worked with some good bosses though who were BCMA but not necessarily a climber per se. So I am not exposed to the caliber of people on this site. I often see and hear comments on here that I have a tough time envisioning, like Richards comment about using multiple styles on one climb. I am no slough in the tree though. I can hold my own with the majority of the people I work around. I am the climber on the pruning crew because I can climb spikeless. I did it today and watched the others spike prunings. I wish I could work with the likes of some of the climbers on this site. Being a single Dad, traveling to seminars is impossible. Not gonna happen. I read as much as I can and study the posts on here to learn as much as I can. I just can't tell you how much i'd love to work along side a top climber. Not that it matters much anyway.

I'm liking the ZZ very much and have not encountered any issues thus far. I'm glad I know what to look for with that pic od the fracture. I'll check out the uni. The problem is that as great as this site is, I can't have a conversation with any of you. That discussion would be much more interesting to me. Thanks
 
I checked out tons of Richards vids last night. I liked the srt DdRT change over vid a lot. I also check out the uni. It's seems pretty awesome. I guess I just like the zz design better. More compact. I do like the way you self belay the uni for longs repels. Here's a little zz vid. Smooth ascent. http://youtu.be/VshnOUloL0Q

I may not be capturing the ease and speed of the ascent.
 
As someone who owns both the uni and the zig, they both rock. They are just entirely different. I do like the midline attachment of the uni but I think the sensitivity of the zigzag on decent is much nicer. Would I ever stop using one or the other, no. But I also like to rock the hitchhiker or the hitch climber & rope wrench sometimes. I think they all have pro's and con's. I also like to change it up just so I have to think more and don't get complacent while I am climbing. Now keep in mind trees are fun for me, I don't have to work them to make ends meet, so my views don't see speed as a virtue.

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Hey Richard it's getting to be pretty nice over here!
Coming out soon?
I can almost hear the wind whispering through that grove....

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Yes Jon we need to start getting a date set, has the snow melted?
I did a great redwood climb a couple of weeks ago, I was going to post the video but had second thoughts. If anyone wants to see it send me a PM and I will send you the link to the private video. Also happy to give info on the location and how to go about climbing it. I'm going back to do another in the first week of April.
 

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Ok ,had mine now for maybe three months no less than 8-15 prunes /removals a week 6 Rainey days working
One really sappy 90degree day
No crack no rust tecknu cleaned sap shines like new
 
I've been on mine with no issues either. Actually had a very minimal drop when a TIP was over a sucker I didn't see. Much to my amazement it didn't Explode throwing shiny metal all over the development like the haters predicted. I look at it several times during each climb and before and after. I have added that to my routine. Look at TIP, ZZ, angry birds with big talons, spiders, ZZ, ground guys cutting my climbing line, TIP, ZZ ground guys. Works out pretty well for me.
 
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