Who the F is Daniel???

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I love my job and the industry but i hate the know it all wankers that this industry attracts.
Daniel,I believe you are the biggest(literally,i can always judge how hard someone works by their size and fitness)wanker of them all.Not only do you carry on like a wanker,you film it ,show it to your peers ,and proclaim it to be gospil.
Ive never knocked your work and possibly you may be right on some of the the things you do but the way you come across.....i can say only one thing..................
WANKER
 
Daniel is operating on a level that is so far above you, he doesn't think its funny.
Nobody is making secret cuts like him. Nobody is cleaning gutters like him. Nobody fires up this boring place like Daniel and his assclownery caught on tape.

I enjoy his presence. He's kind of like a crazy old hobo that screams at kids saying, "nice try Pal, but I was progressive back in the 80s, just ask Riggs"

Yes, someday he will leave us. Whenever that big skidsteer in the sky decides to break a blue streak "out of the blue" (you like that?), I have a feeling we will miss Daniel and his Feng Shui skills.


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The sad part is he claims he invented the bore cut with a release strap, I learned this in an arbormaster course four years ago and have been using it how it was intended to be used since then. but I guess he owns it.........hey I think I may start a new thread to introduce you all to a new ascent technique I'm inventing, I'll call it footlocking I think.......yeah and noone could ever do it as well as me because I'm thinking soooooo far out of the box.
 
To set the record straight:
obviously I did not invent the bore cut and back release..

I did however invent the adaptation to bore cut a small kerf cut behind the notch to set the hinge, then bring the release cut far below the bore and have the bypass occur near the middle of the stem. This creates a "Step" of fibers which requires a significant pull to trip, thus allowing the faller to step away from the cut, well out of the drop zone before calling for the pull. There are many advantages to this technique. It was shown on the "st germaine hemlock" video which allowed me to get off the steep hill by the stump on a fall that was sure to have the but bounce around. http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=276105&an=0&page=0#276105

It's unlikely I was the first person to ever try this cut, as it really is just a common sense adaptation of the bore cut, that anyone with a little creativity and the need should come up with. However I AM quite sure I was the first person to ever publish the technique, which was demonstrated in my "siberian elm" video on youtube.

When this video was shown, I posted links and followed the discussion on the major arb boards and no one knew or was familiar with the technique, which I had to explain, even to the self proclained experts who call themselves "the best of the best", falling trainers etc.. at the TH... I AM not sure if that thread is still available in the TH archives. They made a big deal of discussing the pros and cons of that cut, which no one had ever seen before.

The thread here had far less action, but it was still clear that no-one had ever seen the cut before. Here's the Buzzz thread:
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=204065&an=0&page=7#204065

If you read the "step cut 3" thread here at TB, you can see that the technique was pretty much ridiculed, and continues to be so, as in the recent thread "cherry top".

Just like the Heimlick manuever was once ridiculed by the medical profession, this cut will become an SOP in the arb industry at some time in the future and no doubt save some lives along the way.

Personalities aside, this cut and all my techniques work as they are intended. I'd be happy to debate that.. leave the attacks on my personality and such aside if you can.
 
Trusting wood splitting with the grain to hold up a tree just isn't common sense. Nonsense would be more like it. You should see the folly of this fairly soon.
 
Great point boreality...
you obviously haven't tried the technique.. And its not just wood splitting at the grain.. its that in combination with the holding wood of the hinge. NO WIND and no pulling by hand with 5:1 MA is going to trip that if its set up right. You have to use equipment on a high pull line to trip the fuse.

As with any innovation in this industry you should try it in non-critical situations to get a feel for it.

I think that prety much confirms my earlier post Will.
 
I not going to try this I've split enough firewood and felled enough trees to know better. There are times when your technique will work but there are also times when bad things could happen. You do it enough to know the difference, as do I.
This technique is not nessesary or an improvement in safety. If there's a safer way I'll take it. I don't see this as a time saver or a safer way.
 
I'll have to get a dyno and show the math..

You're "in the box".. and that's cool.. do what works for you.. just don't ridicule what you haven't tried..

and to that end.. next time you have a flush cut from a sizeable stump.. get your wedges out and see what it takes to split it in half... good luck with that one!
 
OK but every tree is different, just like splitting firewood. Now, which one is the strong one and how strong is it? You're also recommending this technique as a topping cut not just at the ground. It makes me cringe.
 
Its a good technique, Daniel. Lots of ways to implement it. It can make a risky tree felling or top removal operation much safer. Using it to set up a topping cut while tied in to the tree you are removing is fairly risky. I would suggest it for the situations where you can be tied in to a different tree, or working out of a bucket, so a climber can move away from the zone before the mismatch cut is released.

It has been taught in conjunction with the bore cut for years by many training companies when dealing with high risk or complicated felling scenarios.. I don't see how you can make claim to the technique.
 
OK, I try not to post on a persons ability, especially when I do not know the person. That said, WTF?? you come off sounding like you think you are a jedi, some master of all things trees! I would love to see some numbers from the forces you put on stuff, hell, I'm sure it would surprise you! So what happens when you make this magic cut that you "invented" and its just about there, and the rope snaps? Daniel, I hope for your sake you don't hurt yourself, and God willing - do not injur an innocent bystander do to your "special skills".
 
They're not called "snap cuts" by accident. Or what technique are you talking about Zeb? And what kind of lame training are you referring to? I'd want my money back if that's what they're teaching.
 
So I get it now, you have taken this(see pic) a bore cut with a release and turned it into a snapcut with a hinge.... Still think this is the same thing you just use more holding wood when you need too.
 

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Maybe it has been Zeb,
But this is the first I;ve heard about it and this technique has been talked about by many extremely knowledgeable arborists all over the world in threads relating to my videos, and no one was familiar with it. I had to explained it to everyone! So if this is being taught as a variation of the bore and back release, on the one hand it makes sense, but I would find it surprising that I haven't heard mention of it before.

So exactly which training companies have been teaching it? And my claim is that I made it up myself and practiced and developed proficiency with the technique. I also made the claim that it was first publsihed in 2009 in my siberian elm video. That could be wrong. If so, I'd like to see the publication(s). I would actually enjoy having made a mistake on this one, just to show you all how biased your prejudgements and opinions are. I'd love to see you say the same thing about GOL and Arbormaster as you say about me!

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Its a good technique, Daniel. Lots of ways to implement it. It can make a risky tree felling or top removal operation much safer. Using it to set up a topping cut while tied in to the tree you are removing is fairly risky. I would suggest it for the situations where you can be tied in to a different tree, or working out of a bucket, so a climber can move away from the zone before the mismatch cut is released.

It has been taught in conjunction with the bore cut for years by many training companies when dealing with high risk or complicated felling scenarios.. I don't see how you can make claim to the technique.

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ACT&E and NATS have taught several versions of mismatch cuts, knee notching, key notching, bore cutting and key notching in a course called Hazard and Danger Tree Cutting and Felling. Been teaching these courses since the early part of the millennium. We didn't invent these either.

We have never employed a skid steer to make these work.

I might also add that if you are going to show videos of yourself performing arboricultural operations, you should watch your ergonomics and make sure you keep your thumbs wrapped on the saw handle.
 
and before any new or disconnected person tells me that this is an unacceptable or a vulgar response, all I say is: is that you don't know Daniel yet and this pig of an arborist needs to be convinced to shut his mouth before he gets new arborists killed. My "lack of class" response is exactly what he deserves.
 
Thank you Zeb,
That is music to my ears.. so all the boys here that keep hammering on the technique can see their own prejudices and stupidity (you know who you are), when really this technique is just a common sense adaptation to the bore and back release. I'd like to hear more detaisl of exactly how the you teach this falling cut and what particualr situations it is recommended for, and how the cut is tripped if you are not pulling with equipment.

ANd yes, bad habits die hard.. I try to rememeber to keep the thumb wrapped. I've just been cutting so long the other way, its a challenge.


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ACT&E and NATS have taught several versions of mismatch cuts, knee notching, key notching, bore cutting and key notching in a course called Hazard and Danger Tree Cutting and Felling. Been teaching these courses since the early part of the millennium. We didn't invent these either.

We have never employed a skid steer to make these work.

I might also add that if you are going to show videos of yourself performing arboricultural operations, you should watch your ergonomics and make sure you keep your thumbs wrapped on the saw handle.

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