Who needs spurs?

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How so?

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You had to ask...

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well jeff. i do it with speed, efficiency, production and safety as my primary focus. everyone else may say the same thing but in reality they don't actually do it with speed efficiency or production. they may think they do but they don't.

this thread is a riot. little do most of you actually know of what you speak.

I know everything and you all know anything, My head is soo big that I use a pail for a hard hat. lol.

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Man are you for real? Do you know how completely ridiculous you are? Do you really think that you have special powers or something? Your a JOKE!! Everyone else is thinking it and I'm Saying IT! JOKE!! Where's this video you said you were going to post? Man your so good but no head cam yet? I'm still laughing...... still laughing.............laughing..harder

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ricky, you silly simple canadian. you are the joke. see, the difference between you and i is the fact that you can ask the people here at this site that know me or that have heard of me and they can tell you that i do in fact meet and exceed the chit i talk. proof, muttly, that is what i have. while you go around on the internet looking for advice on how to climb a tree or take care of rope or how to bid or what to do or just continuously prove what a treetard you are i am out there in the game making sure that i am in fact the top dog at what i do.

talk the foreman out at NYC's central park. ask boston bull's boss. ask my boss. ask the people that watch me work. look at my results. look at the production levels drop when i leave a crew. look at them rise when i go to a new one. its all there.

you on the other hand are the antitheses of me. you are a plodding tree joke fleecing homeowners into losing money on hack work. i see the guys like you around here spiking all there work. leaving puddles of oil in every driveway they get on. no pride in what they do just doing it for the beer money. dull saws and beat machinery. that is what you represent. you stiff.

in case your simple azz hasn't figured it out yet from here and other places in this world wide web but i really don't give a chit what anyone else thinks. i have seen the best that these parts of the continent have to offer and i have yet to be truly impressed. seeing that this neck of the woods is the most progressive arborculturally that means that a backwoods hick from ontario canada is in fact a 3rd world climber/ tree man. you are the joke. you get a ropebag yet?

i have proof to back it up, muttly. where's yours?

stay safe.
 
Where's the vid of the rope winding? The way you describe yourself a headcam is a half a day rate. And if you aren't making that then who's the hack? I work for myself not someone else. So the way I look at it your someone's Bitch! Get up that tree, cut that Bitch!! Where's the vid? Unbelievable!! Donkey!! You come down here I'll let you carry my gear to the tree. Then leave!
 
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I can honestly say that I have, as have most other climbers that do not spur trims. As you know a spur-less trim job often involves large and a sometimes technically difficult removal of part of the canopy. It only makes sense to be able to directly proceed without a change of gear. I have also done full removals sans spurs and really have no preset agenda until I see the tree. And I am more than willing to believe that there might be one or two climbers out there more talented than I ( yes that's a joke )and as such are capable of doing things I can not.
What I have trouble with is the refusal to use spurs for reasons that as I stated are BS. Let's start with fit and comfort. How long does it take to fine tune your climbing rig/setup to the point where you can wow other climbers? Years. Perfect rope, saddle, and hitch, all adjusted to perfection, combined with day after day of repetitive movements that make those moments look effortless. Yet these same guys,usually with very little guidance will strap on spurs with whatever boots they happen to have, no fine tuning, flip-lines that don't flip, grit their teeth to endure the pain while moving through the tree with far less grace then they are accustomed to. This is not displaying the same dedication to learning spur work that they used with ropes.
How about "I'm faster without spurs" Hoo-aa! Can you also run faster and farther and jump higher on your hands. Spurs allow you to literally run in a tree if you so desire.
The combining of rope skills and spur skills should be the goal of a top climber. This will allow the proper choice of the most efficient method for the job at hand. Not one at the cost of the other.

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Very good post.

And Boston Bull. yes, i did not realize this was tree removal with crane only. It seems like it has changed to any tree removal anyway though.
 
What's the big deal with doing or not doing. I have no doubt many climbers are efficient enough without spurs to do most removals and take little or no more time than an equally competent climber wearing spurs. Most of the removals I do are next to impossible to do without spurs, and therefore I'm extremely comfortable in spurs. I enjoy work that doesn't require that I wear them, but I'm not going to let my pride (in my spurless abilities) hinder me from wearing them when it's the best call.

One thing I do know about spurless removal: a climber will always be more apt to leave the odd stub to stand on. I've climbed with the climber in the original post, and he's a fantastic spurless climber, but he still needed that limb to make an (awkward) working position. And stubs do not mix with rigging.

FWIW I wouldn't be surprised if he was only having a bit of fun with that crane work without spurs.

oldirty I'll bet the fact that you've worn spurs only twice in two years is probably more indicative of you having a narrow scope of work more than anything else.
 
Next topic.............crane removals using only silkies!

(I've only used a chainsaw twice in the last two years for removals!!!)
 
Cheers Dave
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. The guy i'm talking about doesn't flat out refuse to wear spurs, but makes the call to use them where he feels they are a benefit & to climb with out where he feels they are a hinderence. He's an exception to the norm, every other climber thats worked with us thats tried it in the past was less efficient than they would be with them. So all i'm saying is don't write off the idea, it is possible that for some it works.

BostonBull, yep, guilty as charged, i'm talking general removal work.

Even this guy could run faster without spurs than with them though
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who needs a saw at all? I just snap off my picks with my bare hands. ....well, only up to 14 inch diameter that is.....
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Doing a "hand" removal with no spikes sucks, doing a crane removal with them is a different ball game and far easier. Different strokes here guys, look what forum we are in before you start arguing, calling names, and drawing intricate diagrams to prove your point.

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Thanks Jim, I'd forgotten the original plot myself there.

In the UK it’s not lawful to ride the crane, (let alone stay tied to it while you're cutting)...although its does happen, it’s definitely not something you would openly flaunt or the crane company would face hefty fines. So with high rainfall throughout the year there's really no practical gain for discarding the spurs on a crane removal, over here at least.
 
I just re-watched the video. Looked awkward, and the pick moved a lot after release. Sure helps to have a big crane, where the dynamic pick will have less impact on the crane's stability and longevity.

I'll take spurs on most all removals. I've done a few without, but the positioning was not as easy.

I can see spurs not being much/ as much help on long horizontally oriented pieces.
 
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FWIW I wouldn't be surprised if he was only having a bit of fun with that crane work without spurs.



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Yes i believe you are right.
Its not a video so you can't really say if there was a second or two between
those photos. Where the pick moves.
 
Point well made, limited info. It does change angle quite a bit. It could be well balanced, but have limbs tangled in the remaining portion of the tree.
 
I have not caught up on Tree Buzz for some time.

Talk is cheap, video’s best demonstrate your points in this case and large tree removals are done on spikes.

Spikes are a great means of tree access. The ostrich approach to an argument doesn't help. If some have only done small tree removals, that’s OK but doesn’t always mean you can apply those methods to all trees.

I hope I have not missed some subtle humour in this.

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Graeme,

I was being humorous when i made the above statement, just in case someone didn't know it....
 
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