Bixler
Participating member
- Location
- Nevada City, CA
that was a fun one, nice find!
when you get tired chunking down a spar, do this
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Tr33Climb3r
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- Location
- Wisconsin
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Casey,
Landing logs flat like that is a function of log length vs height. Gerry's excellent book The Fundlementals Of Treework. Has the best explanation I have have seen to date.
Tony
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I agree Tony, and Gerry's "Working Climber DVD Series" shows it as well.
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Since seeing this video 2 years ago I have improved greatly. Have developed a sense of how much to flip at the bottom to get 180 degrees and land flat. Do have some off days though.
Thanks for the sources guys. I will look into it.
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Casey,
Landing logs flat like that is a function of log length vs height. Gerry's excellent book The Fundlementals Of Treework. Has the best explanation I have have seen to date.
Tony
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I agree Tony, and Gerry's "Working Climber DVD Series" shows it as well.
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Since seeing this video 2 years ago I have improved greatly. Have developed a sense of how much to flip at the bottom to get 180 degrees and land flat. Do have some off days though.
Thanks for the sources guys. I will look into it.
ward
Participating member
- Location
- Unincorporated Clackamas, OR
Beranek writes, "at a length of .18, the sections will land flat on their back with the top facing the trunk." (Beranek, p. 222)
I asked Jerry how he arrived at this #. "With a pencil and a piece of strung one night" (cutting faces in the pencil and pulling over pieces to determine what they will do).
I've never been able to make precise measurements to confirm Jerry's #, though it seems right. I do know that how the piece is faced effects this also: a shallower face will send the piece outward and it seems to roll over slower.
I asked Jerry how he arrived at this #. "With a pencil and a piece of strung one night" (cutting faces in the pencil and pulling over pieces to determine what they will do).
I've never been able to make precise measurements to confirm Jerry's #, though it seems right. I do know that how the piece is faced effects this also: a shallower face will send the piece outward and it seems to roll over slower.
Try this out whenever you have room. Calculate height of standing spar and cut at the 3/4 mark with a conventional notch. Should get you pretty close to flat on the landing
- Location
- Alabama
I shoot for the 1/5 mark, per Jerry's vids, but often I'll go a bit longer on stuff under 12" diameter, and give it a heave as it leaves the spar. I landed some yesterday from as high as 65' and got them to hit flat. First cut was ~14' long.
skew
New member
- Location
- scenic Skew Gardens
Sorry to be a buzzkill but.... Yes this fellow has mad log flipping skills. I seriously have a problem with this lax safety equipment. I regularly see pictures in the local media where I live of "arborists" in different state of ball cap and jeans attire. As well as most of my local competitors in gross violations of the most basic safety proceedure.
Until we all start taking this stuff seriously we will all be viewed as a bunch of hillbilly goobahs with chainsaws.
What does this guy think it can't happen to him ? I find this extremely arrogant.
Sign me: one who has learned the hard way!
Until we all start taking this stuff seriously we will all be viewed as a bunch of hillbilly goobahs with chainsaws.
What does this guy think it can't happen to him ? I find this extremely arrogant.
Sign me: one who has learned the hard way!
- Location
- Bend, Oregon
As mentioned before, he's from my area. Lowball hack, but still somehow highly regarded, since he's been around for a long time. Caught him spiking a bunch of pine prunes the other day in a high end HOA, put in a nice call to him, no call back... imagine that
The lack of ppe and professionalism is disturbing (and really pisses me off)
In other news, saw some yahoos the other day doing crane picks down the street, making cuts with no ppe off a ladder with an ancient stihl 009. The first pick flipped, on a conifer. Awesome.
In other news, saw some yahoos the other day doing crane picks down the street, making cuts with no ppe off a ladder with an ancient stihl 009. The first pick flipped, on a conifer. Awesome.
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Ridgefield, NJ
It's the lack of enforcement that reinforces the lack of use. Despite video evidence easily available for local OSHA officers to pursue these guys.
It's always hilarious to me when the supposed pros squeal so stridently bout bums in pickups "stealing" their customers?
Where do "we" go from here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_msHpEa3_Y
jomoco
Where do "we" go from here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_msHpEa3_Y
jomoco
- Location
- omaha,ne
re: jamoco
That is the point they are stealing. when you don't have the cost of doing the work with the required safety equipment, not to mention the equipment without proper annual inspections taking place. They come in and steal the job with a low ball price.
That is the point they are stealing. when you don't have the cost of doing the work with the required safety equipment, not to mention the equipment without proper annual inspections taking place. They come in and steal the job with a low ball price.
Bixler
Participating member
- Location
- Nevada City, CA
Re: re: jamoco
I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
- Location
- Bend, Oregon
Re: re: jamoco
It was polite actually. I'm unwilling to accept people using outdated practices because they are unwilling to educate themselves and change. If we all mind our own business, no positive changes can be made.
Talk about minding your own business, look at the mouth diarrhea you have.
It was polite actually. I'm unwilling to accept people using outdated practices because they are unwilling to educate themselves and change. If we all mind our own business, no positive changes can be made.
Talk about minding your own business, look at the mouth diarrhea you have.
CutHighnLetFly
Been here a while
- Location
- Cape Cod, MA
Re: re: jamoco
Hard to assume anyone without a hardhat and a nice truck with a name on it is a hack with no knowledge. Learned to climb/a lot about plants in my area from working with a guy who has been in the industry for about 40 years, so when i first started i was a bit of a hazard. It was on me to learn the SAFEST (no to be confused with the RIGHT way) way to do things. Once i learned new techniques i showed my buddy and he probably would have killed himself or fell frmo a tree had he tried to change his style. No hard hat, spikes up trees with no lanyard until he reaches a nub/branch, and on hands his cuts. If you watched him do a job i would laugh to hear you say it was unsafe.
THAT BEING SAID, im young, consider myself still green, so i choose to use safer techniques.
But i have seen some brazilians climb trees with no climbing line just spikes and didnt know how to get himself down / get a rope up to him.
lets all just not make immediate assumptions about each other hm?
Hard to assume anyone without a hardhat and a nice truck with a name on it is a hack with no knowledge. Learned to climb/a lot about plants in my area from working with a guy who has been in the industry for about 40 years, so when i first started i was a bit of a hazard. It was on me to learn the SAFEST (no to be confused with the RIGHT way) way to do things. Once i learned new techniques i showed my buddy and he probably would have killed himself or fell frmo a tree had he tried to change his style. No hard hat, spikes up trees with no lanyard until he reaches a nub/branch, and on hands his cuts. If you watched him do a job i would laugh to hear you say it was unsafe.
THAT BEING SAID, im young, consider myself still green, so i choose to use safer techniques.
But i have seen some brazilians climb trees with no climbing line just spikes and didnt know how to get himself down / get a rope up to him.
lets all just not make immediate assumptions about each other hm?
TreeCo
Carpal tunnel level member
Re: re: jamoco
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I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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There's iron in them words.
Jeff_Cochran
New member
- Location
- Memphis TN
Re: re: jamoco
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I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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I don't see it as stealing at all. The man is working for a living. The cost of a hardhat? Replacing an old saddle? OOOOhhhh nooooooo, that's why he is able to low ball you??? Not.
He's able to low ball you because his tree cutting skills are most likely better than yours, along with his experience, reputation... ect.
You can get a tree down safely without a hard hat on, it's one of those things that you can get away with on several occasions, but one day it will finally catch up to you.
All ya'll who whine and moan that... "bu bu bu bu bu but dey make us look bad"... boo freaking hoo, if your that self absorbed in how you look than stay home when your on the rag.
Skew, I find your statement extremely ignorant. So there.
Providing a fair service, doing honest work, and treating people with respect will make us look good. If you want to change something, you have to be smart enough to know how to do it. If you guys talk to people like you spew here on the buzz, like your holier than thou, then you make us all look bad, even in your fancy hard hat you jerk faces. Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
Simplyarbor, I would love to hear that message you left him, I hope it made you feel better, I hope you think that you made a difference by saying your peace. Way to go. Next time try minding your own business and keep telling yourself that your better than him, and stop filling up his voicemail.
Treehumper, your a smart older fellow, lived many a years, I know your a bleeding heart liberal and that's fine, but... just so you know, I think OSHA is a scam and a joke, a big waste of time and money. Way to give an enforcement group another piece of the pie, pass those savings onto your upperclass clients eh?
Jomoco, your only laughing because you are one of those bums in a pickup, but hell, I don't blame you I would be too if I was born in your time. Power to the people tree brother.
But... I wasn't I was born in this "look at me" generation, entitled little pricks who run around telling people how to be as good as them. Or whining because they overbid jobs because they lack in skill or natural talent. Treework is expensive, and if your client wants a deal, have them hire these pickup bum-hacks and go cry to your mother. Survival of the fittest guys, just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
Re: re: jamoco
I don't even know where to begin with this thread. Holy cow. There's no "iron in them words," it's a useless rant defending people he doesn't even know.
The first two paragraphs are basically all you need to read to understand that Bixler doesn't understand the accusation. But he goes on. Good God he goes on.
Do you actually run a legitimate tree business, Bixler? I cannot believe you would defend total disregard for PPE as well as total disregard for arboriculture (spiking prunes) if you ran a legitimate business and paid the exorbitant costs that are incurred doing so. THESE GUYS ARE THE REASON OUR COSTS ARE HIGH! Don't you get it? The lower we drag public perception of our trade with this type of crap, the harder it gets for legitimate businesses to compete, because the public will continue to think that a 'tree guy' is a dude in a ballcap and shorts.
Nice low blow on TH's political views, too. Even if this had zero to do with regulatory agencies, we would still have to change the perception of us from the insurance industry. Who, by the way, think we (the tree industry) are a gigantic risk. I can't really disagree with them when I'm lumped in with dudes in ballcaps and shorts doing 'tree work.'
-Tom
I don't even know where to begin with this thread. Holy cow. There's no "iron in them words," it's a useless rant defending people he doesn't even know.
The first two paragraphs are basically all you need to read to understand that Bixler doesn't understand the accusation. But he goes on. Good God he goes on.
Do you actually run a legitimate tree business, Bixler? I cannot believe you would defend total disregard for PPE as well as total disregard for arboriculture (spiking prunes) if you ran a legitimate business and paid the exorbitant costs that are incurred doing so. THESE GUYS ARE THE REASON OUR COSTS ARE HIGH! Don't you get it? The lower we drag public perception of our trade with this type of crap, the harder it gets for legitimate businesses to compete, because the public will continue to think that a 'tree guy' is a dude in a ballcap and shorts.
Nice low blow on TH's political views, too. Even if this had zero to do with regulatory agencies, we would still have to change the perception of us from the insurance industry. Who, by the way, think we (the tree industry) are a gigantic risk. I can't really disagree with them when I'm lumped in with dudes in ballcaps and shorts doing 'tree work.'
-Tom
Re: re: jamoco
This is about the ethics of ratting off those of lesser abilities to increase your market share in the tree industry, period.
I believe in free market competition within our own borders in its broadest interpretation, even illegals within our borders can play with no whining from me. At least they're off their butts and working.
If you can't outshine an illegal in a pickup working his butt off?
That's your problem mate.
jomoco
This is about the ethics of ratting off those of lesser abilities to increase your market share in the tree industry, period.
I believe in free market competition within our own borders in its broadest interpretation, even illegals within our borders can play with no whining from me. At least they're off their butts and working.
If you can't outshine an illegal in a pickup working his butt off?
That's your problem mate.
jomoco
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
Re: re: jamoco
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Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
...just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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I agree with those two statements, but jomoco, there's alot more than what you indicate in his post. ALOT more. I have had hundreds of opportunities to 'rat' out another company working against ANSI safety regs, but I would never do it. Sometimes there are teachable moments, sometimes you let it be. I'm not in control of all that. What I CAN do is change the way I work, and try to help change the industry from the inside through org's like ISA and TCIA, and I have done that and will continue to do so. And I am deservedly offended when a 'peer' (for lack of a better term) tells me (and the entire TB community) that this substandard behavior is not only OK, but somehow the people engaging in it are perhaps even 'better' than the guy calling them out, and they're just jealous. Bullcrap I say. Unbelievable leap there.
I also started doing tree work with an old beat up truck and a chuck and duck chipper, but I was never ignorant to the teachings of others. Many of the guys I see around doing substandard work (below ANSI Z133 OR A300) WILL NOT CHANGE. That's the difference. The guy in the original video seems to be one of them, and I refuse to defend him, period. After everything I have done to get where I am, I find it offensive that anyone would.
-Tom
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Everyone evolves at different times, and learns at a different pace, it's all about perception.
...just don't play dirty and keep OSHA off the speed-dial. Haters.
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I agree with those two statements, but jomoco, there's alot more than what you indicate in his post. ALOT more. I have had hundreds of opportunities to 'rat' out another company working against ANSI safety regs, but I would never do it. Sometimes there are teachable moments, sometimes you let it be. I'm not in control of all that. What I CAN do is change the way I work, and try to help change the industry from the inside through org's like ISA and TCIA, and I have done that and will continue to do so. And I am deservedly offended when a 'peer' (for lack of a better term) tells me (and the entire TB community) that this substandard behavior is not only OK, but somehow the people engaging in it are perhaps even 'better' than the guy calling them out, and they're just jealous. Bullcrap I say. Unbelievable leap there.
I also started doing tree work with an old beat up truck and a chuck and duck chipper, but I was never ignorant to the teachings of others. Many of the guys I see around doing substandard work (below ANSI Z133 OR A300) WILL NOT CHANGE. That's the difference. The guy in the original video seems to be one of them, and I refuse to defend him, period. After everything I have done to get where I am, I find it offensive that anyone would.
-Tom
Re: re: jamoco
Must be that old school saying bout reapin what you sow that's responsible for my indulgent and acceptin nature I spose.
jomoco
Must be that old school saying bout reapin what you sow that's responsible for my indulgent and acceptin nature I spose.
jomoco
Riggs
Participating member
- Location
- Bryn Mawr , Pa.
Re: re: jamoco
"Nice low blow on TH's political views, too. Even if this had zero to do with regulatory agencies, we would still have to change the perception of us from the insurance industry. Who, by the way, think we (the tree industry) are a gigantic risk. I can't really disagree with them when I'm lumped in with dudes in ballcaps and shorts doing 'tree work.'
-Tom "
I always call it like I see it ! Find the middle ground ! Howd I get lumped in with people who call themselves TOMTHETREEMAN ? I love this world , because there is a difference ! He with the most tears has the most fears ! MAke me want to buy a beater pickup a dirty Patriots hat and bang on doors in your hood . Feel me ?
"Nice low blow on TH's political views, too. Even if this had zero to do with regulatory agencies, we would still have to change the perception of us from the insurance industry. Who, by the way, think we (the tree industry) are a gigantic risk. I can't really disagree with them when I'm lumped in with dudes in ballcaps and shorts doing 'tree work.'
-Tom "
I always call it like I see it ! Find the middle ground ! Howd I get lumped in with people who call themselves TOMTHETREEMAN ? I love this world , because there is a difference ! He with the most tears has the most fears ! MAke me want to buy a beater pickup a dirty Patriots hat and bang on doors in your hood . Feel me ?
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