When does a foot ascender or knee ascender become self-tending?

[moss]

Setting Up a weight is more annoying to me than jiggling My foot ascender leg for a few steps.

Yep. Good tip from Tom but a hand tend to get srarted, and two foot wiggles is “free”.

For competition climbing extra measures makes sense.

It’s a helpful gesture but when another climber puts their hand on the tail of my rope to “help” me get going I say “Thanks but hands off”, What I do works great for me.
-AJ

 

[moss]

When I posted didn’t realize this thread is ten miles long!
-AJ

 

[Richard Mumford-yoyoman]

Yep. Good tip from Tom but a hand tend to get srarted, and two foot wiggles is “free”.

For competition climbing extra measures makes sense.

It’s a helpful gesture but when another climber puts their hand on the tail of my rope to “help” me get going I say “Thanks but hands off”, What I do works great for me.
-AJ

So true and I'm not even sure why that bothers me so much. It's well meaning and doesn't really impead my progress but...

 

[moss]

So true and I'm not even sure why that bothers me so much. It's well meaning and doesn't really impead my progress but...

It's a weird thing possibly but... When I'm teaching and/or facilitating I make it clear no one touches anyone else or their gear while they're on rope unless they ask first. Same for the instructor, always tell a student what you're doing, ask permission.

Likewise with my climbing no one touches me or my gear without telling/asking me. Yeah, if they're obviously saving my life go for it!

It's funny though, at climber gatherings I've had people who "know better than me" tie stoppers in my throwline (never put a stopper on my throwline, never ever.), put my throwline away wrong, tie stoppers in my climbing line without asking/telling me (when for a specific reason I did not want a stopper on my climbing line). Everyone's alway's right in their own mind. But not more right than the person they're thinking for without telling them.

Weirdly enough or not so weirdly that's exactly how my eye injury happened. A person did some "thinking for me", knew better in their own mind, didn't tell me, and blasted my right eye vision away with a bungee cord they lost control of. May 20 was my f'ing awesome 4th anniversary of that event. It was a great day, owl rescues in full magic mode and the inspiration flowing.
-AJ

 

[moss]

Apologies for dramatic digressions! Lessons being learned as to how and why bad things can happen. I need a t-shirt that says “Don’t Touch My Gear” then in tiny letters, “Without asking” then a big smiley face on the back.
-AJ