What term would you use for...

This won't go for a vote anytime soon, if at all.

TCIA is hosting an SRT Summit in conjunction with TCIA Expo in Charlotte. We're working through what we'll cover as well as some other SRT related things. When our group was talking earlier this week we all stumbled over a term.
Who knows where this will go?
 
When naming something, we can define it by its work. It comes down to the work that the thing does. We are thus lead to variations of ascent/descent/bicent/transcent/omni etc.

Because the direction of travel of the device on the rope goes up and down, it cannot be described as "omni" or "trans", etc., but simply ascent and descent.

Now, we are lead to find the most pleasing, economical and useful acronym

Ascent Descent Device or Ascent Descent Tool

But since Ascent Descent Device has the unfortunate acronym ADD, it must be excluded.

Canopy Ascent Descent System vs. ADT
CADS is an unfortunate acronym "cad" in british english is like "douche" in american english.

Ascent Descent Tool vs. Ascent Descent System (or some variation)

I would point out that it is principally a tool, but that it can be configured differently (system). Or, another way to put it is that the smallest piece in the system is the tool, e.g. the rope wrench, the hitch hiker, etc.

So, to define the piece, it is an ascent descent tool quite simply put.

Lastly there is "Bicender", which could also qualify, although to me that sounds a little like ac/dc, which arouses certain connotations not directly related to the device.

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but I like the catchiness of "bicender" better. Think "bicycle"
 
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...Because the direction of travel of the device on the rope goes up and down, it cannot be described as "omni" or "trans", etc., but simply ascent and descent...So, to define the piece, it is an ascent descent tool quite simply put.

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Good post, but some of what you presented, as I quoted above, is the reasoning for the renaming of these new tools, as they are capable of more than just going up or down the rope.

Most ascent tools are restricted from any off-angle work, so traditional training, when referring to SRT safety, emphasize this limitation. So in order to avoid confusion, a clear distinction of what tools are being discussed is needed. Hence the renaming drive.

Because it is the ability to safely move laterally that separates this new class of tools it would be appropriate that it be part of the name.
 
Does anyone else see the magnitude of what arbos are adding to the rope world?

to get to this place we started out by borrowing and adapting ascent and descent tools to our world. That's how most of the rest of the rope world moves. They do move up AND down some but not like we need to.

The Uni gave us the ability to move in the z-axis...truly three dimensional movement. Now there are more and more 3D tools. ALL of this is coming from OUR world! We're leading the way.

As the number of tools has grown its becoming awkward to explain what we're doing. Its rare that we use the trade name for a lot of our gear. We just say rope, ascender, chipper...and everyone knows what we are talking about.

Whatever term is accepted we, us arbos, are going to be the flag bearers!

Right now I'm liking Multicender and Transcender...but I'm not the King of Names ;)
 
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CADS is an unfortunate acronym "cad" in british english is like "douche" in american english.
Lastly there is "Bicender", which could also qualify, although to me that sounds a little like ac/dc, w

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I have the same impression when I start seeing Bi and Trans with the current popular sexual persuasions, not that there is anything wrong with that :)
Acronyms are popular because they make things easy to remember and the same acronym is ofter used in different trades but with different meanings but again it makes it easy to remember and spreads the concept quickly.

Don't know about the British use of CAD but it also is used in engineering circles as Computer-Assisted Display System and probably in many other trades as something different but all this leads to the ease of remembering and spreading the concept.
Access........can imply both ascent into the canopy and movement within the entire canopy in other words access to the entire canopy.
Canopy work.......can imply much more than working on a tree, it encompasses everything one might do in the canopy, environmental studies, research, hunting, surveillance, recreation and of course tree work.
I think the thought that this is all tree work severely limits what all this rope climbing can be about and narrows the populace perspective of this exhilarating, physical and almost spiritual activity.

The more I read this, the more I like
Canopy Access and Descent System.........but of course that is just me in my unbiased opinion. :)

I like the idea of coming up with something specific for concept of tree access and think it is about time it stands on it's own.
Being new to the ROPE climbing activity, I perhaps see it from a little different view then some. (I had to add ROPE, because access to the canopy for me started 50 years ago.

Ok, I'm done and back to working on learning to sew eyes.
 
Incorporating canopy, tree [hey, good name for a company...hehehehhe], arbo, etc. is limiting. In time, our moving around will make sense to the up and down rope climbers. We'll have a name and systems that are already fine-tuned.
 
A 'transcender' is the name given to a class of ascent and descent rope tools for single rope technique to be used in arboriculture as a part of a canopy access and descent system.

q.e.d.
 
I don't think other disciines are restricted to up and down. Pretty much every rope discipline I can think of requires some lateral movement to some degree. From iron workers to cavers to tower workers. None of it is truly up and down. Arbos have the most rope friendly surfaces to work with maybe
 
What I meant about arbos 3D moves is that our workplace is the most fluid and irregular. We're constantly going to our workplace and then moving on.

RADS-type systems have limitations which 3D climbing doesn't.
 
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Rope goes in one side and out the other: 2 directions. Where's the third direction, this so-called "lateral" motion coming from?

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In certain SRT tool systems, the line must be spiked below the tool, and vertical movement cannot happen while the climber is making a short lateral move...say perhaps when reaching a point to lanyard in and set up another climbing system following an ascent with toothed cams.

The idea is that there are now SRT systems that allow safe lateral movement in all directions. These systems work for ascent, descent, and lateral (diagonal) movement. Limb walking on a lateral would be a good example.
 
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