What needs to be different here?

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I have only climbed with a traditional system so far, but I like to diversify. I decided to try and rig up using an eye n eye tail with the pulley. I used double eye pulley since thats all I have at the moment. I decided to get out and try it quick before it rained, but something here isn't right, I just don't know what. It was a major pain to advance the hitch while body thrusting. It's not that it DIDN'T work, it just didn't work well. Is it the placement of my carabiners? Instead, should I have clipped one to my saddle and through the bottom eye of the pulley,and then used another through the top eye and also clipped through the eye on my rope?
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The tails [cordage from the bottom of your hitch to the top of the pulley] are way too long.

You can take more wraps/turns but that's likely to change the way that the hitch grabs and releases.

You could get a shorter eye/eye tail.

You could cut off one sewn splice and tie the end using a double overhand as a termination.

You'll likely find that when the tails are all but eliminated that you'll have a smooth setup.


The key to have a well-tuned hitch is to shorten the tails so that you don't have any 'sit-back'.
 
Get rid of that prussic - go to something else - VT, Distel, etc... That should advance better and be much safer! I would also suggest a hitchclimber pulley or a Pinto pulley as well.
 
Just noticed you said its a mickey mouse type pulley, Take the carabiner that is hooked to the eye of your rope and put in the top hole of your pulley. Take the carabiner that has your hitchand put that in the bottom hole - having one eye of your hitch on each side of the plate. Make sense?? Someone may post a picture.....
 
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Would this work any better?

I tried to give it another pass through initially to shorten it up, but then it was a major pain to descend, very very jerky.

Pardon my ignorance...what's a VT?

Thanks!
 
Be careful man. You are playing with an advanced hitch, and obviously haven't had the practical experience or training with it. Do you work with anyone that can show you the subtleties, dangers, or advantages of the hitch?

Some things just cant be effectively taught from books, or internet forums.
 
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Be careful man. You are playing with an advanced hitch, and obviously haven't had the practical experience or training with it. Do you work with anyone that can show you the subtleties, dangers, or advantages of the hitch?

Some things just cant be effectively taught from books, or internet forums.

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X2 True words
 
What's advanced about it?(not trying to be a smart azz), and hows it that much different from a regular prussik?

I didn't even get to mess with it as it started pouring rain right after I made that last post.
 
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What's advanced about it?(not trying to be a smart azz), and hows it that much different from a regular prussik?

I didn't even get to mess with it as it started pouring rain right after I made that last post.

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It needs to be set to work properly, as you advance the hitch it can stay in a loose configuration, just small things that you get from more of a hands on.
 
There are also compatibility issues. One configuration may work well with you hitch cord and host line, change to a different host line or hitch cord, (or both) and things can behave or react unexpectedly.
Like Tom mentioned above, hitch length is also critical, a difference of an inch in cord length can/ will change behaviors as well. Too short / too long .......the exact length isnt always easy to dial in, again host line and hitch cord construction come into play.
I always laugh when I see people spend money on stitched eye hitch cords, as in my experience the manufactured length is never the right length.

Slow and low my man!
 
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Do you have a copy of Jeff Jepson's "The Tree Climber's Companion"? If not get it.

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Yes I do. It was the very first thing I got when I decided I wanted to learn how to climb. I see what you're saying in reference to the hitch. Of course, things I didn't think about. I'm going to play around with it anyways, just to feel it out a bit. If something did go wrong at the height I've been climbing, at the very worst I might have a sore rear end the day after. I have been keeping it very close to the ground, trying to get a feel for the knots,ascending, descending, etc. But I appreciate the heads up!
 
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Andrew I'd recommend an XT over a VT. I'll send you some pics with a reply tonight. Just got home and need FOOD.

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Andrew
I agree and disagree with Adam, what I am saying is be careful with both hitches as I have seen an XT have the same issues as the VT depending on cordage combinations, hitch and rope. do not assume anything. it seems Adam knows you and you are a buzzer so you must be an ok dude so where in Jersey are you? we are returning to Sparta to finish out a few jobs this coming weekend and if that is near you we would be glad to share some insights with you and assist you with some hitches and different rope/hitch combinations time permiting.
 
Scrat's right for sure. I did mention to Andrew in private what rope/cord combos work for me and how many wraps/braids.

Todd this guy is very sharp and aware that the stakes are high with this stuff. He's an ideal student and should do very well. Have him climb until he begs for mercy!
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You tell him Adam....sharp like a bowling ball
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Scrat-Sent you a PM, if I can hold out til Sunday I'll be there.
 
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