- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
Ditto.
Man.
Man.
What do you guys think
- Thread starter treemann
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- Location
- Netherlands
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Blah blah blah. Take the frigging thing down, and move on.
Case closed;.
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Blah blah blah. Take the frigging thing down, and move on.
Case closed;.
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guymayor
Branched out member
- Location
- East US, Earth
Root invigoration involves aeration and inoculation.
Today I looked at a white oak. 57" of 152" circ was dead. Client and I teetered, reduce, remove? Then I shoved my tile probe (what do you use to assess decay?) in on either side of the wound. It went in 2' each time. We called for the crane crew.
"Blah blah blah. Take the frigging thing down, and move on.
Case closed;."
mB you cannot close a case if you haven't even tried the facts. If you spoke that attitude in these here parts they'd string you up from the highest branch. Strange fruit.
And Uncle Wiltie,you been huffin far too much 2-cycle and sawdust. Wake up and smell the chlorophyll!
Today I looked at a white oak. 57" of 152" circ was dead. Client and I teetered, reduce, remove? Then I shoved my tile probe (what do you use to assess decay?) in on either side of the wound. It went in 2' each time. We called for the crane crew.
"Blah blah blah. Take the frigging thing down, and move on.
Case closed;."
mB you cannot close a case if you haven't even tried the facts. If you spoke that attitude in these here parts they'd string you up from the highest branch. Strange fruit.
And Uncle Wiltie,you been huffin far too much 2-cycle and sawdust. Wake up and smell the chlorophyll!
- Location
- Auckland,New Zealand
Hi guys,
what is the angle of opening? have u tryed detecting live tissue on the other side of the wound? Have you tryed a T/r calculation to seee the soundness of the timber.. Just and added test you can do to show the strengtyh of the remaining timber.
Treekiwi
what is the angle of opening? have u tryed detecting live tissue on the other side of the wound? Have you tryed a T/r calculation to seee the soundness of the timber.. Just and added test you can do to show the strengtyh of the remaining timber.
Treekiwi
- Location
- Auckland,New Zealand
Hi MB,
you bring up an excellent argument, but the circumstances for removal could mean that the client has no finances to remove the tree straight away or it could be signifcant to their family e.g. family member planted it and has since passed.. Trees can never be fixed, because as we all no trees they do not heal but merly cover or enclose an injury... The tree will have to come out eventually but isnt it our job to do our best for a client if a tree means that much to the person?? our job is afterall tree care and not just tree removal....
Treekiwi
you bring up an excellent argument, but the circumstances for removal could mean that the client has no finances to remove the tree straight away or it could be signifcant to their family e.g. family member planted it and has since passed.. Trees can never be fixed, because as we all no trees they do not heal but merly cover or enclose an injury... The tree will have to come out eventually but isnt it our job to do our best for a client if a tree means that much to the person?? our job is afterall tree care and not just tree removal....
Treekiwi
- Location
- In the Mitten...
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MB you cannot close a case if you haven't even tried the facts.
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Cool. "Fix" the tree, then let your wife and babies sleep under it at night.
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MB you cannot close a case if you haven't even tried the facts.
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Cool. "Fix" the tree, then let your wife and babies sleep under it at night.
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- Location
- Fort Lauderdale, FL
Master Blaster, I think is right. Take it down, or at the very lest, have the client sign off on your liability. the last thing anyone one needs now a days is to get sued for a decission that the client makes to keep a high risk tree.
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist FL0979B
member, ASCA
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist FL0979B
member, ASCA
- Location
- The Kingdom of Fife
Rule of Thumb never believe the owner.....had never noticed the damage before....What Bull
Scotty
Scotty
- Location
- The Kingdom of Fife
Fell it is a hazard Tree of a high target frequency, the likely-hood of risk has surpassed the potentialness of hazard is there in your face......
Scotty
Scotty
guymayor
Branched out member
- Location
- East US, Earth
"have the client sign off on your liability. the last thing anyone one needs now a days is to get sued for a decission that the client makes to keep a high risk tree."
i agree with the signing part, but I do not know enough to call it a high risk tree. Do you?
i just went by a client's place to look at a leaning tree I'd pruned a few years back. It was not there--client told me it keeled over, doing $35k damage to his house. Yes he'd signed the work order, so no, I was not (very) exposed to liability.
Will I keep on recommending retention? Yes, but I'll look a little harder at bad leaners from now on...
"ISA Board Certified Master Arborist FL0979B
member, ASCA"
O great, another know-it-all who's spent a lot of money to put letters after his name.
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O an mb, wives and babies sleep soundly under trees with decay, all the time. My wife and babies are in striking distance of several right now. You might want to save the fearmongering for customers who are losing their trees and their money for no good reason.
i agree with the signing part, but I do not know enough to call it a high risk tree. Do you?
i just went by a client's place to look at a leaning tree I'd pruned a few years back. It was not there--client told me it keeled over, doing $35k damage to his house. Yes he'd signed the work order, so no, I was not (very) exposed to liability.
Will I keep on recommending retention? Yes, but I'll look a little harder at bad leaners from now on...
"ISA Board Certified Master Arborist FL0979B
member, ASCA"
O great, another know-it-all who's spent a lot of money to put letters after his name.
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O an mb, wives and babies sleep soundly under trees with decay, all the time. My wife and babies are in striking distance of several right now. You might want to save the fearmongering for customers who are losing their trees and their money for no good reason.
- Location
- SC
I certainly wouldn't sign off on it as a sound tree, but if I thought there was 80% or more "sound wood" and no scaffold issues I would milk it.
If I thought the customer was loyal.
It's obvious that's what they want, to keep the tree as long as possible, so I would give it to them.
So long as they understand that I am doing so at their request and they are taking a risk by keeping it...
Then possibly five or six years down the road do the removal, after I have cleaned it and reduced it a half dozen times, I would get nearly as much money for it then as if I took it down now...
If I thought the customer was loyal.
It's obvious that's what they want, to keep the tree as long as possible, so I would give it to them.
So long as they understand that I am doing so at their request and they are taking a risk by keeping it...
Then possibly five or six years down the road do the removal, after I have cleaned it and reduced it a half dozen times, I would get nearly as much money for it then as if I took it down now...
- Location
- Fort Lauderdale, FL
Guymayor, never claimed I knew it all, and I have been in the business since 1978.
Also, just for you to know, I never spent a dime to achieve these accreditations, just years of experience, high respect for those who knew more than me, and a willingness to make something better out of myself.
I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships, because my knowedge and time in the trade are worth every dime they spend.
LOOK at the Roots, roots in tension are stronger than compression, and the house is on the compression side of this tree. Remove it.
Seen too many people lose everything they had worked for, getting sued, cause they were suppose to know better.
We were asked for our advice.
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist
member, ASCA.
Also, just for you to know, I never spent a dime to achieve these accreditations, just years of experience, high respect for those who knew more than me, and a willingness to make something better out of myself.
I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships, because my knowedge and time in the trade are worth every dime they spend.
LOOK at the Roots, roots in tension are stronger than compression, and the house is on the compression side of this tree. Remove it.
Seen too many people lose everything they had worked for, getting sued, cause they were suppose to know better.
We were asked for our advice.
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist
member, ASCA.
- Location
- Netherlands
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Guymayor, never claimed I knew it all, and I have been in the business since 1978.
Also, just for you to know, I never spent a dime to achieve these accreditations, just years of experience, high respect for those who knew more than me, and a willingness to make something better out of myself.
I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships, because my knowedge and time in the trade are worth every dime they spend.
LOOK at the Roots, roots in tension are stronger than compression, and the house is on the compression side of this tree. Remove it.
Seen too many people lose everything they had worked for, getting sued, cause they were suppose to know better.
We were asked for our advice.
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist
member, ASCA.
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(treemann)The wound is on the SE side of the tree and the tree leans to the South and the house is to the NW of the tree. The health of the canopy is over 90%.
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So what do i not understand? Lean to S, damage to SE and house on NW. As i understand is the compression wood under the lean and on S side? So tension roots are on N. Is it that the damage on SE makes the compression side more prone to failure?
Guymayor, never claimed I knew it all, and I have been in the business since 1978.
Also, just for you to know, I never spent a dime to achieve these accreditations, just years of experience, high respect for those who knew more than me, and a willingness to make something better out of myself.
I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships, because my knowedge and time in the trade are worth every dime they spend.
LOOK at the Roots, roots in tension are stronger than compression, and the house is on the compression side of this tree. Remove it.
Seen too many people lose everything they had worked for, getting sued, cause they were suppose to know better.
We were asked for our advice.
ISA Board Certified Master Arborist
member, ASCA.
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(treemann)The wound is on the SE side of the tree and the tree leans to the South and the house is to the NW of the tree. The health of the canopy is over 90%.
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So what do i not understand? Lean to S, damage to SE and house on NW. As i understand is the compression wood under the lean and on S side? So tension roots are on N. Is it that the damage on SE makes the compression side more prone to failure?
guymayor
Branched out member
- Location
- East US, Earth
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I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships,
[/ QUOTE ] Cool! I wish I had someone pay for mine. I got the same letters as yours plus a few more, so don't take my razzing the wrong way. They are good to have!
as far as tension/compression vis a vis house location, maybe I did not read the mann's description as closely as you did. Hard to judge without seeing oneself. See you in Napa?
I work for a very high class company that pays for my memberships,
[/ QUOTE ] Cool! I wish I had someone pay for mine. I got the same letters as yours plus a few more, so don't take my razzing the wrong way. They are good to have!
as far as tension/compression vis a vis house location, maybe I did not read the mann's description as closely as you did. Hard to judge without seeing oneself. See you in Napa?
- Location
- NW Indiana
R Schra is correct the tree leans away from the house.
