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wet weather climbing
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I am laughing with Didj. Today is what I considered a very cold day and I was crazy enough to be outside estimating.
It got up too a high of -33C and with the windchill factored in it felt like it was -47C with the wind chill. It is supposed to get down to -41C tonight with a windchill making it feel like -50C. If ya'll want to feel what real cold is come on up.
Oh ya, -40C=-40F.
I would rather work in the rain then bitter cold or extreme heat.
It got up too a high of -33C and with the windchill factored in it felt like it was -47C with the wind chill. It is supposed to get down to -41C tonight with a windchill making it feel like -50C. If ya'll want to feel what real cold is come on up.
Oh ya, -40C=-40F.
I would rather work in the rain then bitter cold or extreme heat.
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- magalia california
Tom,
when a tree is all froze up, is there much difference in the way cuts react ? ( hinging capacity) that sort of thing . Or does it only effect the outside bark area ?
Thanks
Greg
when a tree is all froze up, is there much difference in the way cuts react ? ( hinging capacity) that sort of thing . Or does it only effect the outside bark area ?
Thanks
Greg
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Greg,
Yes, there is a difference. When the wood is frozen the hinge is less effective. The wood has more of a tendancy to pop.
Most times this doesn't make any difference. There have been times, especially in elms, where I'll get used to the hinge wood popping when I'm directing a chunk in the tree. the timing of the bypass cut is critical to get the chunk to make enough rotations to land flat, on end or whatever. Then, in the afternoon when things have warmed up the hinging characteristics change. Less of a pop and more of a normal hinge. In the morning the elm will pop more like red oak. Red oak will pop with almost no back cut.
I've seen this and talked about the freeze effect on hinging wood with other snowbelt arbos. This becomes almost an art. When I'm making the face or kerf cut I pay close attention to the feel of the saw. Frozen wood cuts differently than thawed. This is another one of those micro details that only come with paying attention and making mental notes.
A good example of this phenomenon that any chainsaw user has experiece with is the difference between live and dead wood hinges. The spectrum between the two markers is wide, the same as with frozen wood.
Tom
Yes, there is a difference. When the wood is frozen the hinge is less effective. The wood has more of a tendancy to pop.
Most times this doesn't make any difference. There have been times, especially in elms, where I'll get used to the hinge wood popping when I'm directing a chunk in the tree. the timing of the bypass cut is critical to get the chunk to make enough rotations to land flat, on end or whatever. Then, in the afternoon when things have warmed up the hinging characteristics change. Less of a pop and more of a normal hinge. In the morning the elm will pop more like red oak. Red oak will pop with almost no back cut.
I've seen this and talked about the freeze effect on hinging wood with other snowbelt arbos. This becomes almost an art. When I'm making the face or kerf cut I pay close attention to the feel of the saw. Frozen wood cuts differently than thawed. This is another one of those micro details that only come with paying attention and making mental notes.
A good example of this phenomenon that any chainsaw user has experiece with is the difference between live and dead wood hinges. The spectrum between the two markers is wide, the same as with frozen wood.
Tom
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- In N.J. beatin\' on NickfromWI
rborist1,
I think you are replying to the wrong guy. My conversation in this topic basically replys to grip in some slick trees. But if I am not mistaken 0C is 32F. Just the other day it was 10F with 35mph winds when we were working making it somewhere around -5F to -10F with windchill. Do the math. Now thats cold no matter if your climbing or doing groundwork or whatever. We WORK in everything not out just doing estimates. Now if you want to WORK in some pretty cold weather come on down. LOL. Oh yea , and by the way 99% of my climbing is done without any gloves at all. The cold really doesn't bother me its just the grip of climbing in some slick or icey conditions. Now the summer heat and humidity down here is a whole nother story. But then again its just tree work. Right ?
PS -40 is cold as hell but I would definitley give it a go.
I think you are replying to the wrong guy. My conversation in this topic basically replys to grip in some slick trees. But if I am not mistaken 0C is 32F. Just the other day it was 10F with 35mph winds when we were working making it somewhere around -5F to -10F with windchill. Do the math. Now thats cold no matter if your climbing or doing groundwork or whatever. We WORK in everything not out just doing estimates. Now if you want to WORK in some pretty cold weather come on down. LOL. Oh yea , and by the way 99% of my climbing is done without any gloves at all. The cold really doesn't bother me its just the grip of climbing in some slick or icey conditions. Now the summer heat and humidity down here is a whole nother story. But then again its just tree work. Right ?
PS -40 is cold as hell but I would definitley give it a go.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Wind chill rant
I'm going to rant a little about wind chill. If you don't want to hear my blathering, skip this one
The weatherguessers build up the wind chill to make them seem like doomsayers. this gives them another wild thing to talk about. These are the same people who get blown off their feet standing on the boardwalk when a hurricane is comeing ashore when normal people are moved out of harm's way.
The windchill is a way of taking windspeed into account with cooling. The number relates to what the wind would feel like on bare skin. by the time they start to post wind chills most normal people are already bundling up. If someone were standing outside, naked, the wc would be a thing to pay close attention to. Another thing to remember is that rarely is the wind constant. So, if you're going to be out, insulate, wear windblocking shells and cover your skin. In that case, wc becomes pretty much a non-factor.
During winds any heat that isn't trapped inside your insulation and wind proof layers will be taken away faster than during a calm. This is what we look forward to during the summer when we're sweating. I wonder if people would understand windchills in the summer time? The heat index is used to corelate heat and humidity. Even a little breeze during the summer will cool bare skin quickly.
Done ranting
It's below 0 F but I'm not doing treework, I'm doing school work.
I'm going to rant a little about wind chill. If you don't want to hear my blathering, skip this one
The weatherguessers build up the wind chill to make them seem like doomsayers. this gives them another wild thing to talk about. These are the same people who get blown off their feet standing on the boardwalk when a hurricane is comeing ashore when normal people are moved out of harm's way.
The windchill is a way of taking windspeed into account with cooling. The number relates to what the wind would feel like on bare skin. by the time they start to post wind chills most normal people are already bundling up. If someone were standing outside, naked, the wc would be a thing to pay close attention to. Another thing to remember is that rarely is the wind constant. So, if you're going to be out, insulate, wear windblocking shells and cover your skin. In that case, wc becomes pretty much a non-factor.
During winds any heat that isn't trapped inside your insulation and wind proof layers will be taken away faster than during a calm. This is what we look forward to during the summer when we're sweating. I wonder if people would understand windchills in the summer time? The heat index is used to corelate heat and humidity. Even a little breeze during the summer will cool bare skin quickly.
Done ranting
It's below 0 F but I'm not doing treework, I'm doing school work.
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- In N.J. beatin\' on NickfromWI
Re: Wind chill rant
TOM,
The windchill factor as explained on TWC had something to do with body heat lost in a certain area around the body. They didn't say anything about being bundled up or bucknaked. But I think when the winds are-a-blazin' it definitely seems colder. But I also think once you hit a certain temp it doesn't matter anymore, its just cold.
PS your real cold weather thread was fantastic.
TOM,
The windchill factor as explained on TWC had something to do with body heat lost in a certain area around the body. They didn't say anything about being bundled up or bucknaked. But I think when the winds are-a-blazin' it definitely seems colder. But I also think once you hit a certain temp it doesn't matter anymore, its just cold.
PS your real cold weather thread was fantastic.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Re: Wind chill rant
Joey,
You're right on all counts. Wind will strip away any heat that leaks out faster. But don't be fooled into thinking that the ambient temp is really any colder. To me, I notice the temps going down in ten to fifteen degree steps. A five degree difference isn't noticeable if you're clothed.
Tom
Joey,
You're right on all counts. Wind will strip away any heat that leaks out faster. But don't be fooled into thinking that the ambient temp is really any colder. To me, I notice the temps going down in ten to fifteen degree steps. A five degree difference isn't noticeable if you're clothed.
Tom
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- In N.J. beatin\' on NickfromWI
Re: Wind chill rant
Tom,
Thanks for the info, you must do alot of studying up in your spare time.
Tom,
Thanks for the info, you must do alot of studying up in your spare time.
