Unicender-Slack tender for limb walks

Tom Dunlap

Here from the beginning
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This afternoon 'Bowlegs' Bill called to tell me about a solution for one of the Unis weak points. Slack tending with the current configuration of the Uni isn't as easy as tree climbers are used to in DdRT system with a slack tender.

Adding a redirect underneath is one solution and is likely to be in the next generation of Unis.

The solution that Bowlegs came up with is to piggyback a DdRT system onto the top of the Uni. The picture is of the simplest, least gear intensive, setup.

In my picture the green Tachyon is the anchored climbing line. Before heading out on the limb an in-line loop is tied, I used a lineman's loop.Then, a second rope, or the tail of the climbing line, is slipped through the bottom part of the Uni. Next, clip a biner in the loop and clip the rope through the biner.

When returning from the limbwalk the climber can use the orange rope to yard themselves in like a usual DdRT setup. The slack in the green line needs to be tended to keep the candycane from being too long. If not, the climber would fall the length of the candycane, not half the distance like in a DdRT candycane.

I found that I could use one hand on each rope to walk back in under tension and balance.

From here, there are many ways to modify and improve this setup. A small camming ascender or friction hitch could be substituted for the lineman's loop. Add a pulley to the upper biner and there's more effeciency. Add a tail to the rope that is terminated on the top eye of the Uni in my setup and the climber would have a true DdRT setup with a self-belay.

Using the tail of the climbing rope in SRT has the same limitations as in DdRT.

-Will there be enough rope to exit the tree without a changeover?
-Will the loop of rope catch falling limbs which could lead to the climber getting pulled off their feet?
-Will the loop snag on stubs or bark flakes?

A second, short rope could be packed along for a limbwalk. The second rope would not have to be too long. If the climber were careful to keep slack out of the green rope they could use smaller cord since the slack tender setup really wouldn't be part of their life support system.
 

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Why not just set a pulley on the green rope and transfer the uni to the orange rope.Or just leave the uni on the green rope and have a a friction hitch with a micro pulley already set up on the orange rope, maybe with a bridge extension.Set it up thru a pulley on the srt right above the uni.Then once you get back just transfer back to the uni and stuff the orange rope in a little rope bag.
 
There are other variations, of course. having something that is quick and not complicated is key.

In the next few weeks, on a Saturday, there is going to be an SRT picnic in Austin, TX. The Uni-flyers will be there and everyone is invited to bring their SRT questions and answers.
 
Hey Tom,

Even though I will not be able to attend your Uni-Climb I am interested in learning the tasks you had to do to organize such event. I do not know if your venue is in a city park but if so what all did you have to do?

I am constantly amazed at the seeming unlimited ways things can be rigged and now I see a hybrid SRT/DbRT/Uni system that is just too cool.

See you at the top,

Dan House
 
I could give you a better set up then that for use in the DRT system. Just ask Jim454 about the Heidal hitch.

As for the SRT use, how about a simple pulley set to the side Dring of the saddle? Seems to me, the slack could be tended one hand, while uni will advance at bridge set?
 
The slack-tending thing is so different with a Unicender and depending on the rope angle the small loop on the top can be pinched and the uni will 'trail along' as friction is not an issue. Sometimes when the rope is grabbed beneath and held up the Uni will 'scoop-out' the slack.
This is on a single-line.
 
Does anybody else recognise the irony that a way to improve a weakness in single rope technique is to add a second rope?

Dave
 
Hahahaha!

I was wondering how long it would take to see that :)

Tending slack hasn't been a big inconvenience to me. But...I can see that using this add-on for low rope angles with long run-outs would be a good solution.

Hybrid Uni climbing.

I thought of a name for climbers who use the Uni...Uni-Flyers...whaddya think?
 
Really though has anyone tried a pulley to a side D ring? Your maybe attached to the outside leg loop of the saddle?


Or even better!!!!! How about a pantin on your leg loop or around knee? After limb walk you could put rope in the pantin and as you walk back it will tend rope for you?

All these certs and college boys and the best you can come up with is to use another rope like a farmer bailing hay?

The Heidal hitch if you like to see it PM me. Also have a Hitch knot put into the knot giuld as Gary Storrik told me to send it to them. "Hello Edward,

Many thanks for your e-mail. I have been lax in not replying sooner. I
will forward your photos and descriptions to our new knot committee and
let you know what they think about it.

Lindsey Philpott
Editor, Knotting Matters"
 
Just finished giving clearance off a roof in a large red oak all with srt.

I used the frog system to access the canopy (with the uni as my chest ascender) then ditched the double handled ascenders.

To tend slack I used my pantin and a daisy chain around my neck with a Biner to connect it to the top hole of the uni.

Whenever I needed to ascend I would hook my pantin on rope and clip my daisy chain into the uni. If I simply needed to tend slack on my long walks in I only hooked up my daisy chain to my uni. Worked well for my first srt only climb
 
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To tend slack I used my pantin and a daisy chain around my neck with a Biner to connect it to the top hole of the uni.

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To your neck???????

If that's how you have to tend slack for a uni, I'll skip it and read about the guys in the awakenings.


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here's to the great minds at use.
 
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Ed, do me a favor and shut the fu@k up dude

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Thats not very nice? I was just pointing out how stupid that is, is all?

I'll shut up the day you stop tring to sell all your BS on here?

DEAL???????
 
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Ed, do me a favor and shut the fu@k up dude

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Thats not very nice? I was just pointing out how stupid that is, is all?

I'll shut up the day you stop tring to sell all your BS on here?

DEAL???????

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Your posts are like nails on a chalkboard.

Back on topic... Yeah, the uni looks neat and all, but if it cannot slack tend on SRT, seems a bit overpriced to me. Is it designed more specifically for SRT? Or does it do better in dual lines? Seems like a bummer to have to drop over $400 on it, then you have to come up with a way to tend slack back from a limb walk. Nice looking piece of gear, that's for sure.
 
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I thought of a name for climbers who use the Uni...Uni-Flyers...whaddya think?

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Hey, that sounds good, Tom. But just for clarification, for discussions involving Uni Flyers Online, can we still refer to these as "threads" or should they be referred to as "sightings"? We don't want to draw unwanted attention to ourselves from those unsavory black-suited men.

For what it's worth, for single rope work, I have been attaching my Uni to my chest harness as you would a croll. Works very well.

Also, used in doubled rope, it performs flawlessly. Being able to use it in an either/or situation allows you to be very familiar with its functions, thus improving your efficiency.

For those who have not used one, it is hard to imagine how productive this can be.

Dave
 

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