TreeStuff and SherrillTree Join Forces

Just because opinions differ from your own Tom....doesn't make the posters bad mannered, ignorant or the product of bad upbringing.

Your perspective and how this deal effects you is just that and no more. Don't assume that it doesn't effect others in a far more negative way. A big fish swallowing a smaller fish is exactly what it appears. Dress it up however you want.
 
And when Tobe left, service nosedived.
You're right, thats true Cory. But like Tripp and Luke and Nick and Sean said, they are well aware of this and are determined not to repeat it. I think that this group is smart enough to know that the past should not be relived or it will cost them dearly. I don't believe they will let that happen again. Instead, I bet they all benefit from that knowledge and even move forward smoother because of it.
 
Its like a tree service changing owners and the new owners talk about how nothing is going to change. That rarely is the case. The only thing that stays the same is that "things constantly change" Now, if this change is for the better than we shall see with time.
Thats true Royce if the purchasing company believes that they can improve the company they purchase. But if they purchase a company because they threaten their future and are doing things better or have a technology that's proprietary then they purchase it for both reasons and quite possibly more to help their company take a leading position.
 
Thats true Royce if the purchasing company believes that they can improve the company they purchase. But if they purchase a company because they threaten their future and are doing things better or have a technology that's proprietary then they purchase it for both reasons and quite possibly more to help their company take a leading position.

If you can't beat them, buy them. It happens all the time in the tree care industry with tree companies.
 
I guess I'm still surprised at how many people think that this is a strange situation or didn't see it coming.

That's quite a significant point Mark, for some people. Let me give you an analogy. It's not the best one, but the most fitting to your circumstances that I can think up.

Imagine if you'd formed an alliance with another tree company right in your area. The intention is to help each other grow, so you exclusively pass work to that company, at the detriment of your relationships with others. Your 2 years in or there abouts, and then you happen to read on treebuzz that your so called alliance has sold up to Davey tree. It's the first you've heard of it. Mean while you reading through the comments made by others in the thread at how wonderful the whole thing is....and the people involved. They didn't break the law....but I don't suppose you'd be feeling so good about the situation any more.
 
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From my experience Sherrill is very bad for innovators and TreeStuff has always been very good. Expect to see less homegrown products as the corporation continues to suck more money.
From my experience, I've had EXACTLY the opposite experience with both companies. I'm staying out of anything related to TS as best I can, but I can't let someone badmouth Sherrill when Sherrill has been a Godsend for me. So I'll just focus on the positive and the positive is Sherrill. Keep in mind, I didn't deal with Sherrill until the new CEO, Tripp was in place. Sherrill had good people, but good people can't do good unless they have a leader that allows them to do so. With Tripp, the company is absolutely amazing. Yes, the website/online ordering can get better and IS getting better all the time. I just have to say, for a small guy with product ideas, I couldn't be happier. They don't take my protype products and then do what they want. I'm Xtremely involved the whole way! That is big to me. I talk to a lot of product people and their story is never good like mine. Companies cheapen the product, or change it drastically, or jack the price up where it's embarrassing. Sherrill did none of this with my /our SafeBloc. It's how I wanted it, it's made in the USA, it has the ultimate hardcoat that surpasses even the X Rigging Rings. I was given samples and kept informed of everything the entire time. Plus, ultimately the final approval was up to me. Paul, if you have any future products, don't assume Sherrill is bad to work with, cause they are NOT. If you are stubborn and won't let a bad past experience go, you are missing out.
 
That's quite a significant point Mark, for some people. Let me give you an analogy. It's not the best one, but the most fitting to your circumstances that I can think up.

Imagine if you'd formed an alliance with another tree company right in your area. The intention is to help each other grow, so you exclusively pass work to that company, at the detriment of your relationships with others. Your 2 years in or there abouts, and then you happen to read on treebuzz that your so called alliance has sold up to Davey tree. It's the first you've heard of it. Mean while you reading through the comments made by others in the thread at how wonderful the whole thing is....and the people involved. They didn't break the law....but I don't suppose you'd be feeling so good about the situation any more.
Oh crap, now I get why u care Reg. Yeah, it sucks to have the rug pulled out from under you. Not "you" exactly, but I know what u mean. While you and I wouldn't do something like that to someone, others don't give a crap when all they care about is money. What is legal and what makes money is supreme, the end, nothing else.

The public is so blind. I was one of blind ones for many years, I thought that if a company gives you good customer service and knows you by name, then they care about you; that they must be friends. . The beginning pages of this thread made me puke. Good customer service builds a company, builds MONEY. It's all business, it's ALL money. nothing is based on right and wrong for some people. Legal and making money is it for some. I've had my tree service for 21 years now and I barely get by, why, because I'm fair (more than fair) and I do what is right. If something ever gets damaged, I tell the customer no matter what, even if I.could easily get away with it. I only price things for what I barely need, what I think is fair. I'm a terrible business man, I think I'll never have money if I'm in charge of it.
 
Reg,

Thank you for your post. We are in agreement on the substance of what you said. Certainly, well-intentioned people can see the same set of facts and speculate differently as to the business outcomes. And certainly, the facts in this case are not at issue: a big fish swallowed a little fish. The ensuring debate is good for all of us.

But your comment caused me to reread my post. You re-taught me the old lesson: the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. By using the words “truly hurtful comments”, I was specifically trying to avoid a direct in-your-face personal confrontation with another Buzzer. In consequence, my post reads as overly broad, attacking anyone who disagrees with my business assessment. That’s wrong, and wasn't my intention. I screwed up.

What specifically set me off was the use of the words “filthy lucre” and “barf” to refer to Luke’s deal. Absolutely outrageous. This jumps way over the line of analyzing a business decision and instead directly attacks a man’s character. In all the years you’ve known Luke Dunlevy, what has he ever done to deserve treatment like that? And I can’t think of anything more hurtful than having your life’s work referred to in those terms. Simply unacceptable.

I’m sorry, but manners are manners.

So with respect, Reg, and I mean that sincerely, I stand by my post. But, admittedly, I mistakenly reached for a rifle and pulled a blunderbus out of the closet.
 
Reg,

Thank you for your post. We are in agreement on the substance of what you said. Certainly, well-intentioned people can see the same set of facts and speculate differently as to the business outcomes. And certainly, the facts in this case are not at issue: a big fish swallowed a little fish. The ensuring debate is good for all of us.

But your comment caused me to reread my post. You re-taught me the old lesson: the road to hell is paved with the best of intentions. By using the words “truly hurtful comments”, I was specifically trying to avoid a direct in-your-face personal confrontation with another Buzzer. In consequence, my post reads as overly broad, attacking anyone who disagrees with my business assessment. That’s wrong, and wasn't my intention. I screwed up.

What specifically set me off was the use of the words “filthy lucre” and “barf” to refer to Luke’s deal. Absolutely outrageous. This jumps way over the line of analyzing a business decision and instead directly attacks a man’s character. In all the years you’ve known Luke Dunlevy, what has he ever done to deserve treatment like that? And I can’t think of anything more hurtful than having your life’s work referred to in those terms. Simply unacceptable.

I’m sorry, but manners are manners.

So with respect, Reg, and I mean that sincerely, I stand by my post. But, admittedly, I mistakenly reached for a rifle and pulled a blunderbus out of the closet.
I'm sorry Old Fart, it was my comment you were addressing. I did edit my post from "barf" to "barf (or cry)" because I truly don't know what the circumstances are behind the sale. Perhaps somebody has six months to live and this was the best way. Perhaps not. I think Reg's analogy is a good one. Customer's felt that when they were purchasing from Treestuff, they were supporting an independent franchise (not dissimilar to most tree businesses). Now, all of the years of buying stuff there has built such value into that company that the largest supplier has bought them. I think what we are looking for is to spend money at a company that shares our values--hard work, independence, "smallness", quality, value, etc. The feeling is that we (past customers) thought that Treestuff was playing by these rules but now we know they are not--they are just like everybody else (willing to sell out when the price is right). Is this "filthy lucre"? Not really, of course. Perhaps 'unsavory lucre' or 'unappetizing lucre' might be better, slightly mellower term? From the point of view of Sherrill and Treestuff it looks like a good business deal: everybody got what they wanted. From the point of view of customers who bought from Treestuff specifically because they thought they were investing in an alternative to Sherrill, well they weren't and they aren't now.
 
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