TreePhoto 2011 competition - win great prizes!

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mt arborist and into trees invite you to enter the 2011 TreePhoto competition. Up for grabs for the winners of each of three categories are a DMM Impact Block (L) ATRAES MicroFrog or ART Spiderjack II .

Full details of the competition, a list of the categories and info about how to enter are given here .

We're after great tree climbing or tree work photos, or just cool pics of trees or forests, or pretty much anything tree related! If we get enough entries, we may look at producing a print-on-demand book with profits to the Tree Fund... otherwise we'll just be displaying the photos in a gallery online , and the sponsors may want to use any particularly good shots in future catalogues or online. Fame and fortune (well maybe a new rigging pulley) beckon...

A big thank-you to our generous sponsors: ATRAES, TreeTools and ART . Thanks guys for always supporting, and always saying yes!
 

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I would love to enter this contest but turning over full commercial licensing rights with no compensation just isn't going to happen. This is a great deal for the companies that get free images to promote their products or services, not so great for the photographer.
I'm sure you'll get plenty of submissions though.
 
"and the sponsors may want to use any particularly good shots in future catalogues or online."

Maybe we can submit photos with the agreement that sponsers can not use our photo unless an agreement is made between the photo owner and the company that wants to use it.

If submitting a photo gives them full legal use of the photo, I do not think that is right.

I might submit some good ones as long as it does not directly give them full use of the photo, I just want to do the contest. IF they want to use in an advertisement, we can talk, I would be very easy to get along with, I just want to have some say in what it would be used in.

Oh and I do not feel the Calender thread has the correct type of photos they would be looking for..... so I suggest you do not waste your time looking at it.
 
I may be wrong but I don't think you ever relinquish copyright of any images unless you specifically agree to. Your copyright is automatic. You don't need to apply for it like you would a trademark for example.
If an image is used in a publication with your consent, you still have the right to use your images in any way you like.
I provide images to many publications and I use them as I see fit. I don't consider the user to have anything other than the rights I have allowed for the one-time use.
I always provide my images free. I'm not sure whether selling the right to use an image changes things, but I don't think so unless it is specifically indicated as part of a sale.
Those more knowledgeable, please add more!
 
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I may be wrong but I don't think you ever relinquish copyright of any images unless you specifically agree to. Your copyright is automatic. You don't need to apply for it like you would a trademark for example.
If an image is used in a publication with your consent, you still have the right to use your images in any way you like.
I provide images to many publications and I use them as I see fit. I don't consider the user to have anything other than the rights I have allowed for the one-time use.


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That's why those submitting need to check the rules and fine print of the contest.

If submitting in the contest means use elsewhere, and the photographer agrees, then a certain amoount of lack of control occurs.

Of course, nobody has to submit if they don't want to.

The "MAY want to" in the OP, may be indicative of desire with the intention to make requests to the photographers, which sounds fine.
 
Rules are pretty clear:

"by submitting your photos, you give the organisers of the competition and its sponsors the right to use your photos online and in any other media. That’s a fancy way of saying that, if your photos are good enough, they might make it into future catalogues or gear sites. If that’s something which would bother you, it may not be a good idea to enter this competition."
 
But you are still free to use your images as you like in future unless you have agreed not to, which is basically relinquishing your copyright. Retaining copyright is often all that's important to regular photographers. It may be different for pros who still get paid for their work.
 
When an image is being used for commercial purposes a license to use the image is issued. The license fee is based on the usage type, circulation and duration. A small image in a brochure with a few thousand copies for two years costs a lot less than the same image on a billboard next to the interstate for two months.

I have chosen not to enter based on the vagueness of how they may choose to use my image and not be compensated. I would be happy to negotiate the terms of usage with anyone interested in using my images for commercial projects.

"You will retain ownership of your pictures (this isn’t FaceBook or anything) but by submitting your photos, you give the organisers of the competition and its sponsors the right to use your photos online and in any other media. That’s a fancy way of saying that, if your photos are good enough, they might make it into future catalogues or gear sites."

To me that's a fancy way of saying you give them the right to license your image however they want. Sure you still have copyright but you just don't have any say or compensation for your image.

Frax: You do own copyright when you create an original work of art (photograph). You cannot sue for copyright infringement (ie. someone uses your image for commercial gain without your permission) unless you file the image with the copyright office(south of the border, not sure how it works up there).

I am particularly sensitive to this as I have a business as a photographer. It's my image on Sherrill's cover this year and I look forward to licensing more images to more businesses.

Sorry to divert the thread, it sounds like a fun project to put on and I'm sure lot's of people will submit images and they will be thrilled just to see it in print somewhere. I look forward to seeing the entries, and if you need a judge let me know.
 
"I may be wrong but I don't think you ever relinquish copyright of any images unless you specifically agree to. Your copyright is automatic. You don't need to apply for it like you would a trademark for example.
If an image is used in a publication with your consent, you still have the right to use your images in any way you like.
I provide images to many publications and I use them as I see fit. I don't consider the user to have anything other than the rights I have allowed for the one-time use."

But Frax, publications can put in their contract that they can re-use *words and* images as they desire. This leaves one with a queasy feeling but no lasting heartburn over mis-use, yet...

"I always provide my images free. I'm not sure whether selling the right to use an image changes things, but I don't think so unless it is specifically indicated as part of a sale."

It doesn't that I know of, having had several dozen printed along with articles so far, but standalone as gazer is talking about is a different deal.

It's simple--the companies are giving away gear to get images, and the submitters are hoping to win the gear, and maybe enjoy the fame (no fortune) of having their work seen.
Sounds like a win-win for the consenting adults involved.
 
Hi Guys,

Thanks for taking so much of an interest in this competition, and I'm sorry that the way we worded it has made you guys not want to be involved. Just to clear up some of your concerns - the competition is being organised by Jeremie Thomas and myself, two guys who (if we had girlfriends) probably would have better things to do than spend valuable (and rare) computer time arranging something like this. We actually approached the sponsors, all of whom are friends of ours, rather than the other way around, and the main motivation of this competition is just to have fun and get a lot of arb photos together.

So why have the warning about use of your photos? There are a few reasons. Firstly, we're going to display them online, after which anyone could download them and use them for anything,and we don't want to end up in trouble. Secondly, I know that several people would like to help us promote this, and show off any cool photos that get sent in. Some of those people (like Treetools or ATRAES, two of our sponsors) run very succesful blogs of their own. If you send in your photos and they appear on those blogs, does that constitute for-profit use by the sponsors?

There are a couple of other long-term reasons to include the disclaimer about future use of your photos. One is that Jeremie and I have talked about trying to put together a print-on-demand photobook of these pics, with all profits to the Tree Fund. The other is that, as you guys mentioned, if you send in cool pics the sponsors might like to use them in their catalogues or online. This is by no means a major motivation for the competition, but it might happen. Personally, I'd be pleased if one of my pics ended up in a catalogue, but I know it's different when that's how you make your living.

At the end of the day, this isn't really aimed at professional photographers who make money from their photos. We were mainly hoping to collect together lots of cool pics and show them off, and the prizes are just to motivate people to send stuff in who might otherwise not have bothered.

Jeremie and I are very involved in the climbing community, particularly in Australia and New Zealand but Jeremie (who is French) has also done a lot of work in Europe and in Montreal - the tree community in those places know we're not the kind of people who would be doing this for money (we're not going to make a lonely cent out of this!) or to become owners of the pictures or anything.

Hope this allays some of your concerns. Best wishes to all, safe climbing

Joe
 
Joe if thats the case then change the disclaimer and rules of the competition... Unfortunately words are cheap to use and contracts and agreements are legal in the courts...IMO
 
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Joe if thats the case then change the disclaimer and rules of the competition... Unfortunately words are cheap to use and contracts and agreements are legal in the courts...IMO

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Yup, you said it.
 
You guys, Stacy's point is valid and it applies no matter how you word the contract. Image uses have to be licensed individially and specifically in the commercial world. No pro shooter is going to submit a commercially viable image to a contest without retaining all rights.
That doesn't mean as a pro or semi-pro you dont submit ANY photos to contests. Contests are great marketing tools. I found that being militant about copyrights on ALL my images was counterproductive. The one serious violation i've had to deal with created some bad blood i would have rather not created. Trying to enforce copyright on stock shots is like herding cats. Lots of stress, practically no return for your effort.

The problem here is that the sponsors get unlimited usage rights to the submissions. That isnt fair. The subsequent commercial usage needs to be pre-defined in a license so the shooter knows what they're getting into.

I tried for years to separate my business photography from personal and what I finally came to was, I only file for copyright on assigned shoots and published editorial images. Basically it means I committed to not shooting for stock... which suits me fine, advertising assignments are where the money is anyway... unless you just love stress and shoot weddings.
There will never be significant money in shooting stock arb photos, the circulation is waaaay too small. But showing well in an arb photo contest could get you a nice catalog assignment.
 
Hi guys,

Thought I'd let you know that we've managed to get second and third prizes for each category, and that we've started to get some good entries as well.

Details about all the new prizes, and how to enter, are given here. And the galleries of the entries so far are displayed here. I've also attached a PDF of the comp details to this post.

We've had pictures from Hong Kong, Borneo, Australia, New Zealand, and all over Europe... would be great to get some entries from Canada and the USA.

Catch you later,

Joe
 

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Hi guys,

Thought I'd let you know that we've managed to get second and third prizes for each category, and that we've started to get some good entries as well.

Details about all the new prizes, and how to enter, are given here. And the galleries of the entries so far are displayed here. I've also attached a PDF of the comp details to this post.

We've had pictures from Hong Kong, Borneo, Australia, New Zealand, and all over Europe... would be great to get some entries from Canada and the USA.

Catch you later,

Joe

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Hi Joe.

Just sold three giant prints of two photos that I have not submitted. First time ever displaying big prints.

USA !!

I can begin to appreciate the pay to play arrangement of photography.
 
This is one of the best treework photographs I've seen, just seems to capture a certain something - anyone else agree?

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This is one of the best treework photographs I've seen, just seems to capture a certain something - anyone else agree?

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As a 16" x 20" maybe.

As posted, I can't tell what it captured. Are we looking at a leaning tree, or a falling tree?

Is the blue thing a burn barrel or a rope bag?

Are they wearing any kind of gear or just standing there in caps?

Maybe you have seen the full size photo.
 
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As posted, I can't tell what it captured. Are we looking at a leaning tree, or a falling tree?

Is the blue thing a burn barrel or a rope bag?

Are they wearing any kind of gear or just standing there in caps?

Maybe you have seen the full size photo.

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you see what you want to see, if you want to analyse it to the enth degree then thats your perogative, for me its just a pic of two guys falling a tree
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