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WaitakKauri said:
Why would TS go on Amazon? Just curious about the benefits. Seems like a way to get volume, but with a race to the lowest cost.

I do need educating on this as while Amazon is here, it's not like overseas in American or Canada. Maybe there's an untapped Arb market they're after? Looking to grow market share with the Amazon tree peoples. I'm sure they done homework, just odd to me now.
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First, what do you mean when you say "it's not like overseas in America or Canada"?

Second, my feeling about why TreeStuff would go on Amazon is that Amazon is an absolute juggernaut. They are a one-stop shopping location for almost anything. They have their website slicked up to make it as easy as possible to make a purchase. And they are doing everything possible to grab more market share by reinvesting almost everything they earn back into the business to build out more infrastructure to better serve their customers. So by going on Amazon, a customer no longer even has to know that your company exists, or how to find you on the web. All they need to know is what product it is that they want.

The customer's search results on Amazon might lead them to one of TreeStuff's offerings. If so, TreeStuff just made a sale that they might not have otherwise. So the bottom line reason for joining with Amazon is to reach a much broader audience, and to hopefully increase sales volume as a result.

Also, price is not the only reason people buy from Amazon. I'd pay more money for a good product with great reviews, than for a cheaper product with nothing but bad reviews. The reviews that people give products are a powerful added value to the system. Also, people know what they are getting when dealing with Amazon. A hundred little retailers are a hundred different chances for a problematic transaction.

That's about all I've got.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
First, what do you mean when you say "it's not like overseas in America or Canada"?

Second, my feeling about why TreeStuff would go on Amazon is that Amazon is an absolute juggernaut. They are a one-stop shopping location for almost anything. They have their website slicked up to make it as easy as possible to make a purchase. And they are doing everything possible to grab more market share by reinvesting almost everything they earn back into the business to build out more infrastructure to better serve their customers. So by going on Amazon, a customer no longer even has to know that your company exists, or how to find you on the web. All they need to know is what product it is that they want.

The customer's search results on Amazon might lead them to one of TreeStuff's offerings. If so, TreeStuff just made a sale that they might not have otherwise. So the bottom line reason for joining with Amazon is to reach a much broader audience, and to hopefully increase sales volume as a result.

Also, price is not the only reason people buy from Amazon. I'd pay more money for a good product with great reviews, than for a cheaper product with nothing but bad reviews. The reviews that people give products are a powerful added value to the system. Also, people know what they are getting when dealing with Amazon. A hundred little retailers are a hundred different chances for a problematic transaction.

That's about all I've got.

Tim
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Re: Amazon in America/Canada - Amazon just isn't as big here. Many do use Amazon, but it's nothing like its success overseas. Shipping to down under just costs so much.

Having heard TS has it's TS made/branded products on Amazon fits with respect to your comment on access to a large market. By offering their own, unique products they aren't entering the race to a race to the bottom. Anyone can sell a generic widget, not everyone can sell an AFB or MCRS.

I think your point about trust is important. If I was buying a product online and two companies were similar in price, I'd go, like you, with the one I trusted more. The community's reviews/opinion (where Amazon excels) would assist me make a purchasing decision. I think TS's reviews are a place it excels too, the TS community excels and TS engages well with its community to know it & understand it - Jambo, tree-o-caches, TS parties, etc...

Interesting. Thanks for your thoughts and comments Tim, you've got me thinking. I need to check out Amazon more. I know more about their Amazon AWS products though I've read various business articles about Amazon the store and have personal purchasing experience.
 
@WaitakKauri; Thanks for your post. I don't think I've heard about "Amazon AWS" products, or if I have, it's not ringing a bell for me. Can you explain what that is?

Also, with regard to Amazon being a juggernaut, I guess I screwed up when I used that word. I thought it just meant something huge, with a lot of power behind it, but the definition I just looked up characterizes it as a destructive force. I don't feel that way about Amazon at all. They are just doing everything they can to provide great service.

Actually building physical things, infrastructure, etc., is enormously expensive. I believe that doing so is one of the biggest things that Amazon is doing with all of the money it is generating. They are building distribution centers all over the place, in order to be able to shorten the length of time it takes for a product to make it to the customer after the customer places an order. To the point that it is getting almost ridiculously fast here in the states. Here, they've recently added "one day shipping" as an option on some of the things I can order from them. Their whole game it to provide this level of service to everyone, but it is going to take a lot of time and money to build out all of the infrastructure. I would have little doubt that if Amazon already has a website up and running that tailors itself to the people who live in your country, infrastructure is not far off. Maybe I'm assuming too much. Have you said that the Amazon website you go to is directed at people from New Zealand, or do you have to go to an Amazon page for some other country?

Anyway, I hope Amazon gradually makes big improvements to your shopping experience with them. It's nice to only have to give up all of your information one time to buy most of the products you need. Every time I hand out my address information to some new entity, it seems like they sell the information to others, and I end up with a bunch of junk mail in my box. I don't think Amazon does that kind of thing.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
@WaitakKauri; Thanks for your post. I don't think I've heard about "Amazon AWS" products, or if I have, it's not ringing a bell for me. Can you explain what that is?

Also, with regard to Amazon being a juggernaut, I guess I screwed up when I used that word. I thought it just meant something huge, with a lot of power behind it, but the definition I just looked up characterizes it as a destructive force. I don't feel that way about Amazon at all. They are just doing everything they can to provide great service.

Actually building physical things, infrastructure, etc., is enormously expensive. I believe that doing so is one of the biggest things that Amazon is doing with all of the money it is generating. They are building distribution centers all over the place, in order to be able to shorten the length of time it takes for a product to make it to the customer after the customer places an order. To the point that it is getting almost ridiculously fast here in the states. Here, they've recently added "one day shipping" as an option on some of the things I can order from them. Their whole game it to provide this level of service to everyone, but it is going to take a lot of time and money to build out all of the infrastructure. I would have little doubt that if Amazon already has a website up and running that tailors itself to the people who live in your country, infrastructure is not far off. Maybe I'm assuming too much. Have you said that the Amazon website you go to is directed at people from New Zealand, or do you have to go to an Amazon page for some other country?

Anyway, I hope Amazon gradually makes big improvements to your shopping experience with them. It's nice to only have to give up all of your information one time to buy most of the products you need. Every time I hand out my address information to some new entity, it seems like they sell the information to others, and I end up with a bunch of junk mail in my box. I don't think Amazon does that kind of thing.

Tim
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One day shipping is impressive!

My experience is with Amazon.ca. Amazon for NZ redirects to Amazon U.K. Kinda funny really, why not redirect to Australia, its only a 3hr flight and not on the opposite side of the earth, lol....sigh.

Your description of how Amazon has built infrastructure for distribution (& sales with their websites) is really what AWS is - in a way & very simplified. AWS is the IT infrastructure Amazon has developed to support their business. It is so good and innovative, it's a product of its own. When IT people think of the cloud, it's likely AWS is front of mind. Anyone can, with a credit card and the knowledge, build pretty much any IT solution at any scale micro to global. It would be worth your time to read/watch some high level documentary on it, its very cool and very good.

Now, back to climbing. I'm writing this as I commute to the city. Only today I'm mixing IT work with setup for the NZ TCC comp. Today I have my climb gear on, not a suit. :):bailando:
 
@WaitakKauri; So, wild guess here, as you still haven't told me what AWS means, is it Amazon Web Services? Thanks.

Tim

Edit: Nevermind, I just answered my own question by doing a Bing search. My supposition was correct.

Here's a link to the Amazon Web Services website, just in case anyone is interested.

https://aws.amazon.com/
 
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@oldoakman; Yeah, the problem with acronyms is that before very much time goes by, nobody can remember what they mean.

I was on another somewhat temporary construction job in an up and running pumping station for the fresh water supply for a major city. They had a room there, with a sign on it that said "SCADA Room". I asked a few of the average Joe's about the place what it meant, none of them knew. Then one day a whole crew of these guys were outside over a manhole. I asked who was the boss, and a nice older gentleman said he was the maintenance crew chief. So I asked him, "Do you know what SCADA stands for? I can't seem to find anyone who knows." He got all embarrassed, and blushed, and sheepishly said "Ahhh, I used to know, but I can't remember what it means anymore." I apologized for asking him the question, and said "Yeah, no sweat, nobody I've spoken to seems to know", just to try to help him feel less embarrassed.

That night I went home and did a Bing search on the term. SCADA meant "Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition". It was the room where all of the telemetry data from all of the important valves in the water distribution system was being sent. The main control room, for the technicians who monitor the way the system is behaving.

Search engines are my friends.

Tim
 
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John_KAYS said:
Oh pick me, pick me...I know the illustrator...well know him on TreeBuzz, well, I have chatted with him on various threads, well he might not know who I am, well...it is @moss!
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Thanks for the mention. The book should start appearing in actual bookstores in the next couple weeks. Do me and the world a favor and buy (or order) the book from your local bookstore if you can, it makes a big difference.

Here's a sample drawing from the book "Nature's Temples, The Complex World of Old-Growth Forests" by Joan Maloof, Swamp White Oak with bark balding:
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-AJ
 
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