Training Video of Rope in a Chipper

With a name like mrtree I guess I thought you would understand that tree work is a very dynamic work environment where things are constantly changing and evolving. Hazards that were not present or even foreseeable can present themselves in the blink of an eye and it is simply not reasonable to assume that they can all be avoided.
As far as training goes I have OSHA 10, OSHA 30, CTSP, heights rescue technician, Ehap, cpr, first aid, more chainsaw and aerial rescue courses then I can count, weekly safely meetings, daily job briefings just to name a few but there is always room for improvement.
My reason for posting my story was to help other arborists learn from my mistakes and potentially avoid injuries, not argue with you so I'm done wasting my time. Stay safe.
 
It is really sad that you know things are constantly changing and evolving but you cannot seem to control for it. The whole point of many H&S courses is to be able to deal with the change and the unexpected.
 
Yes, lets accept that all hazards cannot be avoided and accept the deaths and injuries. That is very comforting for the paralyzed worker or the widowed spouse.
 
@mrtree, as I said earlier it is hard for people to put these stories out there, and if the individual sharing the story feels threatened or attacked they are not going to want to speak up next time. Other readers are going to see how people are treated and never want to share stories. I myself feel these are one of the best ways to learn about risks in the workplace, seeing that the unexpected can happen fast and fatally. After an accident the only thing that can be done to help stop future incidents of that nature is for the individual to share how and what happened. Telling the victim that the injuries were unnecessary and preventable is not going to bring their fingers back! Accidents do happen, a person can trip walking out their front door, does that mean we need to tell them that it didn't need to happen...things could have been arranged to make it impossible for them to trip! Anyway, I don't mean to get into the silly nitty gritty and hash this out, but I do believe it takes strength to share these stories and we should respect the accident for what it is, an accident! That doesn't mean that you are incorrect in saying there were ways to avoid it, but it is a little late for livefreeordie and his finger tips. I am sure he knows that things happened that shouldn't have, I think he knows better than anyone of us!

And as I said before it could be thanks to @livefreeordie that I keep my fingertips or even my life because of him sharing his story. So thanks again for sharing livefreeordie!

PS mrtree, I totally respect your safety first mind frame and applaud you for having that be of such importance to you and your worksite!
 
John and others, we need to stop the idea that this or any other injuries are simple accidents and are not preventable. We are not talking here about tripping at home we are talking about workers attempting to earn a livelihood, workers who deserve to go home safe and sound at the end of the day.

Every time I hear of an injury I also hear an excuse, even a dismissal that things just happen. Well they don't. This year I have had a local worker break their neck and another lose fingers, I have heard stories of broken legs, cuts from one-handing, and somebody clobbered by the ball and hook, all not accidents, and all but one easily controlled.

As tree workers we need to realize that once we have climbing, rigging, and chainsaw skills developed we do not have safety under control. Every single job, and even within the job, variations occur which may lead to an injury or death and these need to be recognized and controlled. Factors include weather, tree species, state of the tree, available gear, the crew, the attitude for the day, the site, electricity etc.; something as simple as a new crew member or a tired or distracted groundsman can be enough to but people's lives in danger.

People can claim all they want that "this is how work is done" or "its and accident" but we know many industries have worked very hard to bring injury rates down and there are great methods to do this. It is time the tree industry moved towards the safety culture.
 
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@mrtree, as I said earlier it is hard for people to put these stories out there, and if the individual sharing the story feels threatened or attacked they are not going to want to speak up next time. Other readers are going to see how people are treated and never want to share stories. I myself feel these are one of the best ways to learn about risks in the workplace, seeing that the unexpected can happen fast and fatally. After an accident the only thing that can be done to help stop future incidents of that nature is for the individual to share how and what happened. Telling the victim that the injuries were unnecessary and preventable is not going to bring their fingers back! Accidents do happen, a person can trip walking out their front door, does that mean we need to tell them that it didn't need to happen...things could have been arranged to make it impossible for them to trip! Anyway, I don't mean to get into the silly nitty gritty and hash this out, but I do believe it takes strength to share these stories and we should respect the accident for what it is, an accident! That doesn't mean that you are incorrect in saying there were ways to avoid it, but it is a little late for livefreeordie and his finger tips. I am sure he knows that things happened that shouldn't have, I think he knows better than anyone of us!

And as I said before it could be thanks to @livefreeordie that I keep my fingertips or even my life because of him sharing his story. So thanks again for sharing livefreeordie!

PS mrtree, I totally respect your safety first mind frame and applaud you for having that be of such importance to you and your worksite!
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mrtree said:
Yes, lets accept that all hazards cannot be avoided and accept the deaths and injuries. That is very comforting for the paralyzed worker or the widowed spouse.
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Hazards can be avoided, but unnoticed hazards happen. And the fact of the matter is you can't account for everything at every moment. Things go wrong.

I see no reason for you to climb up live frees ass about posting an incident to remind people to be more wary. He was encouraging the same behavior that you are attempting to chastise him for lacking. I don't know if you were intending to sound like a prick about it, but you have.
 
mrtree said:
Yes, lets accept that all hazards cannot be avoided and accept the deaths and injuries. That is very comforting for the paralyzed worker or the widowed spouse.
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Hazards can be avoided, but unnoticed hazards happen. And the fact of the matter is you can't account for everything at every moment. Things go wrong.

I see no reason for you to climb up live frees ass about posting an incident to remind people to be more wary. He was encouraging the same behavior that you are attempting to chastise him for lacking. I don't know if you were intending to sound like a prick about it, but you have.
 
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I don't know that I have ever seen a double post that has 20 min in between. What was it, really slow connection and you hit the button, waited 20 minutes and saw that nothing happened and then clicked the button again...you are a really patient guy! ;) I know that couldn't be the case!
 
macswan said:
Hazards can be avoided, but unnoticed hazards happen. And the fact of the matter is you can't account for everything at every moment. Things go wrong.

I see no reason for you to climb up live frees ass about posting an incident to remind people to be more wary. He was encouraging the same behavior that you are attempting to chastise him for lacking. I don't know if you were intending to sound like a prick about it, but you have.
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And you sound like an ignorant ass. As for live free, well I don't give a rat's, he is quite happy to have a few less finger tips and does not understand that it could have been easily avoided. I bet that most tree workers have had brush and ropes/throwlines tangled together, no unknown hazard there. Easy controls, but I see over and over that tree workers are much happier when they can make excuses rather than control the workplace.
 
mrtree said:
And you sound like an ignorant ass. As for live free, well I don't give a rat's, he is quite happy to have a few less finger tips and does not understand that it could have been easily avoided. I bet that most tree workers have had brush and ropes/throwlines tangled together, no unknown hazard there. Easy controls, but I see over and over that tree workers are much happier when they can make excuses rather than control the workplace.
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I think it's funny how concerned you seem to about making the tree care industry safer but you have absolutely no clue how to make that happen. Sitting behind your keyboard and trolling a thread in the awakenings forum criticizing and judging others is in no way productive. I put my story out there for the simple reason of making others aware of a potentially overlooked hazard and hopefully prevent a similar incident from occurring. If you actually have any interest in effecting any change in the industry get off your high horse reserve your judgments and maybe try some more constructive criticism... Otherwise it's easier to criticize than create so take the easy way out and keep on trollin'
 
Well clearly you were not there that day and so I don't expect you to fully understand the details and circumstances of everything that occurred that day but I can assure you that it was much more complex then just throw line tangled in brush. Being the safety expert that you assert yourself to be I'm sure you are aware that when looking at any accident there is a chain of events that up to the event and things are never as simple your are trying to make them.
I just think it's funny that that is all you got from that previous post and thus proved my point.
 
What I got from you is that nobody was in charge on the site and you unfortunately lost fingertips, perhaps not the worst of injuries, but needless none-the-less. As for understanding it we are wasting our time. Continue on.
 
@mrtree
I'm asking as kindly as I can (as a person who respects your opinion but thinks you sound like a TOTAL douche. You sir are thw one acting like you know all and are on a forum of idiots), can you give us an example of an accident you may have experienced in your career? Maybe it will give us an idea of where your coming from with your attitude.
It would probably make your arrogant attitude more palatable for the rest of us, as I imagine it's a safe assumption you're not going to change you tone.
 
I also had a rope go into a chipper. Ground guy fed my climbing line into the chipper while I was climbing. Fortunately I got unhooked from it right before.
Really green ground guy, we put the chipper close to the tree.
It was my fault. he was flustered and his head was not in the job. I saw it but didn't say anything or try to ease into the job. Just jumped right in with not enough talk aboit the dangers of being close to the chipper with rigging and climbing lines. Big lesson learned for the two of us.
Your turn @mrtree
 
I'm pretty sure mrtree won't be sharing anything of his own in the awakenings thread. Not because nothing will ever happen to him, but when it does he will be to deep in his words that he can't get out. How can you say that every accident is avoidable? Should we all live in little bubbles? Humans are imperfect and can't account for every element and every scenario of every moment of every day...should we strive to do so, sure, but to say that you can keep every accident from ever happening is a little unbelievable.

I wish you luck and hope you can keep from ever having the slightest of accidents!
 
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