Tim Horton Rimroller

My God it is no wonder the world is in trouble with useless products like this. Timmy's, as it is affectionately known by many, is the source of countless pieces of garbage. Next time you are in Canada, as you pull off the 401 look at the garbage in the ditches. Almost all is convience food packaging.

It is Tim Horton, Dave Horton likely is a mistake. Are you thinking of Dave Keon's in Wayne's World.

Oh and by the way Tim's is now owned by American parent corporation and is expanding into the northern states adjacent to the border. If they are patronized like they are in Canada, sell everything, by a franchise and you are on the road to riches.
 
No...Dave Spencer of Vertical Pro.

Sure...when something isn't available is has a certain intrigue which wears off when it's available. It's hard to blame Timmy's, Mickey D or WalMart for all of the trash. Those companies didn't put it in the ditch.

Lee Valley makes very high end tools. The inventor of the cup zipper couldn't find a vendor so LV took it on. You have to admit, the tool is VERY clever...is it necessary? That's a sociology question :)
 
I know Dave Spencer, though I don't think there is a Vertical Pro anymore. BUt you said

"After TCIA in Detroit I went up to Toronto with Dave Spencer. Along the way he turned me onto Dave Horton coffee."

Its not hard to blame the stores for the trash, they instill in people the need for their products. McD's and Timmy's have a brilliant business plan where much of the garbage is removed from the site by customers. Yes it is the consumer who eventually tosses the trash, but it seems that that is almost part of the expectation of the companies. The drive through is huge in Canada and is constantly marketed (profits are higher per sale with drive through than with counter and table service). Yet in France you do not have take away cups you sit and drink your coffee.

Lee Valley is an incredible store, their wood working catalogue is craftman porn.

Michael

Michael
 
here in detroit 80 -90% of the litter is potato chip bags. I do think they should be held responsible to a certain degree.
 
If its still there you did not even have to leave the Detroit area to go to Tim's. There was one not to far from the Silver Dome that we use to go to. Buk might know where it was as a good friend of his showed me where it was. Good coffee for a buch of Canadians working away from home for the summer. Can't blieve they made a tool for that.
 
Mrtree it was Stan Mikita's donuts in Wayne's World not Dave Keon.

Blame the company???? The products need some packaging. It is a consumer attitude and behaviour that leads to the waste and littering. How many of you faithfully bring your own reuseable mug, or ask the counter help to not give you a bag? If there was no shoplifting then many items wouldn't need excessive packaging, if people didn't respond to package design and only bought the product that best suited their needs. Ah yes, Utopia....
 
Trying NOT to get a bag sometimes is a conceptual challenge. Putting a pocket sized purchase in a bag instead of my pocket is...words escape me. But getting that point across sometimes is interesting.

When I go gorcery shopping I snag boxes off the shelf to pack the goods in. When the boxes are home they get flattened and taken to recycling later. No need for more half-packed plastic bags.
 
Packaging is a huge industry in itself and one that trough various means encourages us to use the products. Consumers obviously make the last choice in some cases, but in many we do not have a choice. Think about screws and nails. It used to be that you would go and pick up a handful at the corner hardware store. Now in many areas you must drive to the big box stores and pick up a bubble pack, or other container that is then deposited into a plastic bag. The plastic packaging and bag, made from precious oil, is then either discarded in the trash or recycled into a lower grade plastic product.

Shop lifting has very little to do with packaging in most cases. Consumer response to package design is much more common. Marketing by packaging companies probably plays the largest part.

As for refillable mugs, its the way to go, or better yet don't go to the drive through. Make a thermos full at home and save the gas it would take to idle in line.
 
That tool is for rookies, I don't mean to brag, but I'm pretty darn quick, I'll go up against that tool anyday.

Grab me a "double double" (Canucks will know what I mean) if you are going.


WP
 
Your an arborist of course you can rrrroll up the rrrrim with ease. This is for those soft handed office workers too delicate for such a challenge!

Mrtree, anti-theft does play a large role in package design where products are small and easily pocketed. Look at the box used for many internal cards for computers. The box is many times bigger than the actual card to make it more difficult to swipe a very expensive piece of hardware. In some cases reuseable cases like in music stores are the answer.

As for bags, there are stores in Toronto like No Frills or Food Basics where you have to pay for bags or use their disgarded boxes for free. Works well for the company by reducing the amount of waste they have to pay to be removed.

There are biodegradeable plastic bags being developed. Currently the city of Toronto is looking at a ban on plastic bags. If more cities do this then the market for alternatives will be created sooner. The environment comes second to profits.
 
The environment comes second to profits.

Unfortunatly you are absolutly correct and will likely continue until we collapse under the weight of our own detritus.

As for plastic bags I heard the the figure of something like 17 million barrels of oil per year to make plastic bags for the USA, which means another 1.7 million for Canada. Quite amazing when a cotton bag will do.

It is amazing when you go to a place like Cuba and a plastic bag is looked upon as something valuable and to be reused over and over.
 
do you know the secret to the delicious tasting coffee?

Well I'll fill you in...its distilled water....amazing huh?

And don;t ask me where I heard this.....its top secret
 
As for the potato chip bags. When so much of the problem gets back to one or two companies and their products. Those companies obviously are doing something that causes harm to the community. I dont believe they are 100% acountable, but when they make money by selling bags that hold three or four chips in it to stoned teenagers, they need to help contribute to the cleanup. They are making money, the kids are getting fat, and the streets look terrible. To me it seems like sloppy incomplete business practice. Once their product is sold they dont care anymore. They got the money, but their product is now floating around the streets and clogging up the sewers. Maybe they should help fund the cost of corner trash cans in the city, or something. I feel they should step up and help corrrect the problem.

Going to a third world country that has been recently introduced to the plastic bag is eye-opening. before the introduction of plastic, almost everything was biodegradable and there was no need for "trash disposal" in the american sense. Just feed it to the pigs. Now you go to these places and the whole countryside is covered with plastic bags and bottles because there is no infrastructure to support it. Its not good for the pigs either.

I think the companies that introduce these products into a location, should be responsible to provide the infrastuctre necessary to deal with their product. Its only fair.

Good thing about michigan, no beer cans or pop cans to be seen. 10 cent return baby!. Perfectly legit to throw your cans and bottles out on the street, they wont be there for more than five minutes. Could they do that with potato chip bags?
 
Not enough material to warrant a deposit. Beer cans were returnable but the deposit was so little they rarely were returned.

I think that a "closed system" of financing the waste collection/processing is needed. That's to say, legislation needs to be in place that levies a fee or tax on companies that produce products that end up as waste. The more that is recycled the lower the tax.

As the GM of a large automotive electronics manufacturer once explained to me, as long as it's cheaper to use virgin products and throw them away we'll not recycle or use recycled products.

There's the key.
 
"As the GM of a large automotive electronics manufacturer once explained to me, as long as it's cheaper to use virgin products and throw them away we'll not recycle or use recycled products."

That is only part of the problem. If you are going to base all decisions on traditional economics and exclude externalaties then you are destined to use up all the virgin products and eventually cause a massive economic collapse and likely a biological one at the same time.

As long as mankind (or at least those with power/money) believe that only humans have rights and money trumps most of these rights then we are headed for the end of the road.

An excellent book is Cradle to Cradle which you should get for the GM of the autoparts manufacturer.
 
This is true. If public traded companies can start to consider stakeholder value as important as shareholder value then we may see some change. For now it is the only vote that counts. The greatest irony is that some of the biggest shareholders are pension funds. So when a company "rightsizes" or restructures to enhance shareholder value, those jobs lost will benefit someone elses pension.
 
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