Tie in Twice Stupid

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However, I have been nailed by the piece that I have been cutting quite a few times. That might be because of a poor choice in cuttin, the ground guy not letting it run etc. that my instinct is to be able to fly away from where I am cutting.

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Amen to that. There are definitely situations (whether or not you have a good groundman) where you can predict the need to swing away once the cut has been made. How many of you have had a piece slip to the wrong side of the remaining stub, falling across your lanyard. It happens. When I suspect that situation, I swing away.
 
treebing,

Excellent point! Excellent.

Yes, I too often look for a safe place to swing. And it doesn't have to be because the groundman is inexperienced. Actually if there is a chance that the swinging or moving peice may hit me, I often swing to the safe area to test that I can get to it before I even begin to make the cut. Just to make sure I can get there easily.

But I guess this will fall under the exception of not having to have two tie in points in case the climber feels it is more of a danger to do so.

But yes, on a large rigging removal, there are usually one or more cuts that are made where I move out of the area, to be more safe.
 
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Does his climbing line count as his second tie in? (I am assuming it was anchored to the lead on the left of the screen). If he did cut his lanyard and fell, the climbing line isn't going to be doing much good for him...maybe keep him from hitting the ground, but the drop and swing would be possibly deadly.

Technically, he is T'd in Twice...but, to be true to the intent of the Z, wouldn't he be using 2 lanyards up there...or another climbing line in the lead he is cutting?

Make sense?

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Just watched the video. Seemed a second DdRt system in the lead he was working would've increased the safety margin.

Up here we have OHSA an act under which worker safety regulations are outlined and to be followed. (More points from here to follow)

The US has OSHA correct? And ANSI produces industry related standards to augment those regulations outlined in OSHA? Or am I wrong on that?

The reason I ask, is Ontario has created the Arborist Safe Work Practices, a document to outline safe work standards for tree work. It is not accepted by the MOL (body that enforces OHSA)as regulatory. (They actually don't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole as they really don't like what we do on a fundamental level) However it appears that an evolution is in process whereby it may become a document with which Inspectors can refer to when assessing the legitimacy of an individuals work practices.

HOWEVER, all regulations in OHSA must be met first. Which brings me to Panther's example. There are 2 sources of FP, one might try to argue a fine with this fact because that's what ASWP calls for. And yet OHSA specifically states a fall restrict (work positioning) system will not exceed a vertical drop of more than 60cm (2 feet) By that token an inspector would deffinately proceed with his/her 'paper work'.
 
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There is also a major safety issue with having you flipline locked onto your side Ds. When you take a top out the stem could split, pulling you into the stem and crushing your insides and spine, this has happened before to climbers. Not just on spar either but on large horizontal branches. i think people should stop this idea of a locked mecanical device on one of your side Ds as it forces you to always use it that way instead of moving to your front Ds in dangerous situations.

When you are tied into your front Ds or the bridge you have moved your self outside the loop. When you are tied to your side Ds with your Flipline you are part of the loop.

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I always feel like I'm too far away from the trunk when on my 'front D's' i.e. the bridge of my Butterfly II.

This is my 'Front D's', yeah?
 
Exactly. Unless you have ape arms, you gotta be using your side dees when blocking down.
 
It depends if my rope will get in the way of the tree going down especially on dead excurrent pines. I place a higer priority on dead (second tie in mandatory or bid as crane job and walk, normally). I was originaly taught to free climb hemlocks to the top tie in with a pully rap down and work.

As a rule for me, I carry two safeties with me anymore . If I dont have two safeties on meh I'm wrong I just feel that way about it anymore, in attition to my climbing rope. Often times I need to by pass large limbs on my climb up a tree if its dense camopy and I cant punch thru (I dont own a big shot)I must resist the want to free climb at all cost.
I must have this discipline about me and ignore the clock.
One issue I've been feeling is two safeties...... ( I use rope and steel core) I have seen climbers employ two utility workers pole straps Effeciently)
I'm finding my side D's on my master is almost too small for a rope safety and meh steel core. Any others having problems fitting all them carabiners (4) into the side D's.?
 
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I'm finding my side D's on my master is almost too small for a rope safety and meh steel core. Any others having problems fitting all them carabiners (4) into the side D's.?

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Buckingham made their saddles with 2 different size D rings. When i used one, i ordered it with the larger D rings.
 
i carry lifeleine, lanyard and a locking krab on 4' loop runner; for 3 possible tie-ins. Mostly the sling/krab set is for redirect of lifeline; but sometimes use it for direct safety connect. Sometimes it is just on a small branch that wouldn't really hold me very well; then it is not part of "2 count". i use it that way sometimes for stability, balance, comfort; then use my other 2 tie ins for safety. i break down the functions like that; realizing that lanyard and lifeline might double for thsoe functions; or perhaps not.

Securing stability, comfort, balance etc. is very functional to make sure you don't need to be caught by lifeline, lanyard. Sometimes i use all 3 in lifeline grade applications/mounts(calling it a wife stitch instead of a husband stitch); especially if real hairy or if krab/sling was already set as redirect and can link in quickly.
 
treespyder where do you connect the loop and krab on your harness?? I wonder how many guys when working down a spar connect their lifeline to their front Ds as well as their flipline...

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Front D's for support; any D for alignmeant/ stability that works. Sometimes reeve lanyard through it, if no crotch to catch it, then can wander some. i have a long lanyard.
 
Depending on the situation laynard and climbing line at the same time is of course prefered.I know that most of you have been in a position when you would like the freedom of movement in case a piece might be comming back at you.Always leave three ways out is my rule.I have seen some nasty thing in that case.Every climber must decide whether the laynard might stop them from being in the drop zone after the cut and if he is how can you move?

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