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throwline reel
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multi bottom
Here's a model where TWO bottom plates were put on. I was adding weight to the base. The winding behavior is somewhat different, sorta nicer with the extra heft.
I didn't get a chance to test this one out for very long before it disappeared due to my own ineptness at putting tools away properly sometimes.
Here's a model where TWO bottom plates were put on. I was adding weight to the base. The winding behavior is somewhat different, sorta nicer with the extra heft.
I didn't get a chance to test this one out for very long before it disappeared due to my own ineptness at putting tools away properly sometimes.
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new model
Here's the newest in a long line of prototypes. Pretty isn't it.
I wish it could make it on looks. This thing failed miserably. It's the one that had the inner drum slanted towards the middle.
It was like holding hands with a hottie who was dumber than a box of rocks.
Here's the newest in a long line of prototypes. Pretty isn't it.
I wish it could make it on looks. This thing failed miserably. It's the one that had the inner drum slanted towards the middle.
It was like holding hands with a hottie who was dumber than a box of rocks.
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Gerald_Beranek
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Re: new model
I was under the impression you had it worked out to a prototype and had a stock of them. So if I make my own it would best be done following all your advise here. It shouldn't be too much of a problem. Actually appears simple. I'll keep you posted with my progress.
Thanks for the tips
I was under the impression you had it worked out to a prototype and had a stock of them. So if I make my own it would best be done following all your advise here. It shouldn't be too much of a problem. Actually appears simple. I'll keep you posted with my progress.
Thanks for the tips
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Re: new model
It is fairly simple. It's just about getting the right reel to start with.
I beg of you, don't try it with the orange reel we opened the thread with. That was by far the worst try of any. I did three in orange, trying to figure out why the overall performance was marginal at best.
I want you to have full, 100% performance.
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I was under the impression you had it worked out to a prototype and had a stock of them.
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Yea no. Yea I have it worked out to a prototype. No I don't have a stock of them. I have one more than you.
I could send the most recent attempt, the one with the angled inner drum, but the reel, I swear, does not give optimal performance. I'm so sorry for this because I do have a source on these, and they're really nice to work with and cost-effective and the dude who has them taking upo room in his warehouse would love to get rid of them. But it makes for a reel that causes an unacceptable problem.
It is fairly simple. It's just about getting the right reel to start with.
I beg of you, don't try it with the orange reel we opened the thread with. That was by far the worst try of any. I did three in orange, trying to figure out why the overall performance was marginal at best.
I want you to have full, 100% performance.
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I was under the impression you had it worked out to a prototype and had a stock of them.
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Yea no. Yea I have it worked out to a prototype. No I don't have a stock of them. I have one more than you.
I could send the most recent attempt, the one with the angled inner drum, but the reel, I swear, does not give optimal performance. I'm so sorry for this because I do have a source on these, and they're really nice to work with and cost-effective and the dude who has them taking upo room in his warehouse would love to get rid of them. But it makes for a reel that causes an unacceptable problem.
Gerald_Beranek
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- Ft. Bragg, Ca.
Re: new model
I'll work on it TM and see what I can come up with. It's a great idea and worth developing into a commercial product, I think.
It's well known who came up with the idea first and developed it. You da man.
I'll work on it TM and see what I can come up with. It's a great idea and worth developing into a commercial product, I think.
It's well known who came up with the idea first and developed it. You da man.
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commercial development
Jerry, I really appreciate that acknowledgement.
No one wants to spend the money, the effort and the years to develop something, just so another guy can grab the idea and bring it to market with dollar signs in his eyes. But it happens every day, I'm sure.
A large part of me wants my fellow climbing community to enjoy the flat-out performance and convenience of a reliable, consistent shotline management system. A larger part of me is very personally attached to the project and doesn't want to see the idea taken out from under me.
I agree its worth developing into a commercial idea. Having a plastics injection mold built (and I've crunched the numbers on this) would require the profits from about ten thousand units before break-even. With the optimal raw reel to begin with they could be put into production on day 1 with as little as a 10,000 foot reel of Zingit line and some saltwater fishing swivels.
I'm an open ear to ideas. If I didn't have a great day job, I'd likely be manufacturing them.
Jerry, I really appreciate that acknowledgement.
No one wants to spend the money, the effort and the years to develop something, just so another guy can grab the idea and bring it to market with dollar signs in his eyes. But it happens every day, I'm sure.
A large part of me wants my fellow climbing community to enjoy the flat-out performance and convenience of a reliable, consistent shotline management system. A larger part of me is very personally attached to the project and doesn't want to see the idea taken out from under me.
I agree its worth developing into a commercial idea. Having a plastics injection mold built (and I've crunched the numbers on this) would require the profits from about ten thousand units before break-even. With the optimal raw reel to begin with they could be put into production on day 1 with as little as a 10,000 foot reel of Zingit line and some saltwater fishing swivels.
I'm an open ear to ideas. If I didn't have a great day job, I'd likely be manufacturing them.
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Re: tester reel
One you find a good reel can you post a picture of the product tag so that we can find the exact model? I realize that you've shoved the tapered reels aside but there might be other less obvious differences.
Great idea...and good marketing!
One you find a good reel can you post a picture of the product tag so that we can find the exact model? I realize that you've shoved the tapered reels aside but there might be other less obvious differences.
Great idea...and good marketing!
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Re: tester reel
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Once you find a good reel can you post a picture of the product tag so that we can find the exact model?
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I would be happy to. In the last couple years I look, I always look in the electrical cord section of any hardware or home improvement center to find an ideal reel. It's almost a compulsive disorder. I'll keep looking, though.
Remember, just about any form of reel will reel the line in. That's less than one half of the equation. The goal to be achieved is being able to bigshot, or throw, directly off the reel without tangle and without having to hand-deploy the line prior to the throw. This is the goal, short of which, why bother?
That's why I've gone to lengths in describing in detail so that others trying this both know what to look for and what to expect. Stand on the shoulders of the research and save the time and effort of reinventing the wheel.... I mean reel.
I appreciate and welcome contributions. Two heads are better than one and three better than two and so on.
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Once you find a good reel can you post a picture of the product tag so that we can find the exact model?
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I would be happy to. In the last couple years I look, I always look in the electrical cord section of any hardware or home improvement center to find an ideal reel. It's almost a compulsive disorder. I'll keep looking, though.
Remember, just about any form of reel will reel the line in. That's less than one half of the equation. The goal to be achieved is being able to bigshot, or throw, directly off the reel without tangle and without having to hand-deploy the line prior to the throw. This is the goal, short of which, why bother?
That's why I've gone to lengths in describing in detail so that others trying this both know what to look for and what to expect. Stand on the shoulders of the research and save the time and effort of reinventing the wheel.... I mean reel.
I appreciate and welcome contributions. Two heads are better than one and three better than two and so on.
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
tapered drum reel
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I realize that you've shoved the tapered reels aside but there might be other less obvious differences.
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This reel is ideal in all aspects, actually better than even my best raw reel in a number of ways, except for the tapered drum.
Zing-it comes 180 feet to a roll. If we started with 200 feet (a thousand foot spool to do 5 reels)then the first 50 feet could fill i the shallow 'v' and 'verticalize' the drum prior to the next 150 feet of wrap . The lip would have to be increased, making a taller overall profile; not necessarily a bad thing. Just less compact. Overall, it could be a better reel than ever, who knows? testing will only tell.
I use these lengths because the best shot I can come up with, consistently is 75-80 feet. The final 75-80 feet reeled onto the reel, therefore, is the most critical as this is your next shot-off-the-reel. The following 75-80 feet is far less critical as it comes off slowly, at the speed the shotbag is dropping. At 150-160 total feet peeling off, 40 to 50 feet always stays on as 'filler'.
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I realize that you've shoved the tapered reels aside but there might be other less obvious differences.
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This reel is ideal in all aspects, actually better than even my best raw reel in a number of ways, except for the tapered drum.
Zing-it comes 180 feet to a roll. If we started with 200 feet (a thousand foot spool to do 5 reels)then the first 50 feet could fill i the shallow 'v' and 'verticalize' the drum prior to the next 150 feet of wrap . The lip would have to be increased, making a taller overall profile; not necessarily a bad thing. Just less compact. Overall, it could be a better reel than ever, who knows? testing will only tell.
I use these lengths because the best shot I can come up with, consistently is 75-80 feet. The final 75-80 feet reeled onto the reel, therefore, is the most critical as this is your next shot-off-the-reel. The following 75-80 feet is far less critical as it comes off slowly, at the speed the shotbag is dropping. At 150-160 total feet peeling off, 40 to 50 feet always stays on as 'filler'.
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Re: tapered drum reel
This picture shows the tapered drum reel. Imagine a taller lip. The problem with the lip at the height it is now (as shown in the picture below) is that if you fill in the 'v' to get a more vertical drum, by the time the drum windings create that vertical profile, the lip is gone and you risk multi-coils peeling off at once. This is unacceptable bad.
This reel was sourced through a list of phone calls to manufacturers, one passing me on to the next until finally I reached an independent distributor who had posession of several thousand of these reels, all discontinued and sitting in a warehouse. He'd have loved to unload the entire stock on me. He provided me <u>one</u> to work with and that's as far as it went.
This picture shows the tapered drum reel. Imagine a taller lip. The problem with the lip at the height it is now (as shown in the picture below) is that if you fill in the 'v' to get a more vertical drum, by the time the drum windings create that vertical profile, the lip is gone and you risk multi-coils peeling off at once. This is unacceptable bad.
This reel was sourced through a list of phone calls to manufacturers, one passing me on to the next until finally I reached an independent distributor who had posession of several thousand of these reels, all discontinued and sitting in a warehouse. He'd have loved to unload the entire stock on me. He provided me <u>one</u> to work with and that's as far as it went.
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You guys are a class outfit. Your prices are good, selection is outstanding and you're a sponsor here at treebuzz.
Maybe I should be a spokesperson for treestuff.com .....
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Anything I can do to help.
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Re: raw reel source
I called the guy who I'd called a year or so ago and we chatted. He did some checking and called me back a day later and said they have 300 of these reels in storage in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Wants $13 each and an all-or-nothing deal.
This is the tapered reel. If it was a vertical-drum, perfect reel I think that would be pretty pricey. 200 feet of Zing it at 25, a micron biner for 7 and a shotbag at (varies) and you're at about 50-55 bucks. Multiply that by 300.
What would you have to sell at to cover ~15,000 - $16,500 on materials costs, (and zero labor factored in at this point)
Create 3 reels/hr = 100 hrs labor@ 10 per hr = 1000 bucks
17,500 div by 300 = $58.33 each. I can't see much room for profit
At a selling cost $65 each (65x300= 19,500), your 'profit' begins after breaking even. In this number crunch you begin making 'money' after the 269th one is sold. Yep, reels # 270 to 300 are yours, free and clear.
I can't think of a faster way to lose my azz and jeopardize my marriage and mess up my regular tree care business.
I make money using shotline reels, not manufacturing them. I'd pay a hundred for one, fully decked out, knowing now what a positive impact they have on my business. In the sense of efficiency, swiftness and elimination of frustration with tangles and no more impatience associated with flaking hand over hand hundreds and hundreds of times, just to hope that your next deploy will be tangle-free. You look forward to setting a line. It becomes fun because no part of it is any longer a chore. Setup and breakdown are <u>so</u> fast.
I called the guy who I'd called a year or so ago and we chatted. He did some checking and called me back a day later and said they have 300 of these reels in storage in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Wants $13 each and an all-or-nothing deal.
This is the tapered reel. If it was a vertical-drum, perfect reel I think that would be pretty pricey. 200 feet of Zing it at 25, a micron biner for 7 and a shotbag at (varies) and you're at about 50-55 bucks. Multiply that by 300.
What would you have to sell at to cover ~15,000 - $16,500 on materials costs, (and zero labor factored in at this point)
Create 3 reels/hr = 100 hrs labor@ 10 per hr = 1000 bucks
17,500 div by 300 = $58.33 each. I can't see much room for profit
At a selling cost $65 each (65x300= 19,500), your 'profit' begins after breaking even. In this number crunch you begin making 'money' after the 269th one is sold. Yep, reels # 270 to 300 are yours, free and clear.
I can't think of a faster way to lose my azz and jeopardize my marriage and mess up my regular tree care business.
I make money using shotline reels, not manufacturing them. I'd pay a hundred for one, fully decked out, knowing now what a positive impact they have on my business. In the sense of efficiency, swiftness and elimination of frustration with tangles and no more impatience associated with flaking hand over hand hundreds and hundreds of times, just to hope that your next deploy will be tangle-free. You look forward to setting a line. It becomes fun because no part of it is any longer a chore. Setup and breakdown are <u>so</u> fast.
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Re: ideal raw reel
Tree Machine,
I had PM'd you that I saw the reel you'd made up for Jerry when I was at TCIA in Baltimore. I did not meet you. I was there on Thursday and Friday and spent time at Jerry's/Paul Cox's Wraptor/Bailey's booth both days.
I have had no luck finding that ideal raw reel (Leviton Electricord, as pictured above)in our area (Mid-Atlantic States). Any idea where we might find a few?
Thanks.
Tree Machine said:
> Did we meet?
> Hey, if you would, post your question in the shotline
> reel thread,
> I have an answer for you.
Tree Machine,
I had PM'd you that I saw the reel you'd made up for Jerry when I was at TCIA in Baltimore. I did not meet you. I was there on Thursday and Friday and spent time at Jerry's/Paul Cox's Wraptor/Bailey's booth both days.
I have had no luck finding that ideal raw reel (Leviton Electricord, as pictured above)in our area (Mid-Atlantic States). Any idea where we might find a few?
Thanks.
Tree Machine said:
> Did we meet?
> Hey, if you would, post your question in the shotline
> reel thread,
> I have an answer for you.
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Shotline Reel Jan 15
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We are putting together a limited run of these reels.
We have sourced some final warehouse cases of reels and there has been enough interest generated by you all that we will make some, you will use it and make money with it (time is money) and you're on the front line of this new shotline management system.
This is the source for taking order, a sponsor here at
treebuzz.com/ shotline reel
Well, Pigwot,
We are putting together a limited run of these reels.
We have sourced some final warehouse cases of reels and there has been enough interest generated by you all that we will make some, you will use it and make money with it (time is money) and you're on the front line of this new shotline management system.
This is the source for taking order, a sponsor here at
treebuzz.com/ shotline reel
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