Throw Hook On Heli-Loggers

Something to be said for single prong. Single j-hooks catch more fish than a treble cause they go into the fishes mouth easier. Might not be so good for buildings but they could be good in trees as they'd be better at jigging the hook into the branch attachment. It could be aimed right at you during the traverse.
 
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Bought the small one from Treestuff that is made by New Tribe. It's advertised as a use for traversing, but man it looks small to support anything substantial.

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NT grapnel is only intended to retrieve throwline or rope to set a traverse, not to grab a branch and support your weight as a leg in a traverse.
-AJ
 
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OK, some I'm bringing back this thread again because I'm still looking for a good folding grappel hook for traversing.

Bought the small one from Treestuff that is made by New Tribe. It's advertised as a use for traversing, but man it looks small to support anything substantial.

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The Yella Grapnel is for use with a throwline, not at all life-support.
http://newtribe.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=61
 
Just picked a grapple up for four bucks at Princess Auto.
Wouldn't trust it for more than 1 000lbs. Light rigging and minor work positioning is a MB
Looked at some stainless steel meat hooks and have hand bail hook that barely works.
Aerial arborist has the best I've seen. Military issue for sure and very cool but definitely not tree friendly.
 
I'll throw my two cents in for the Ronnie Epple transfer hook. Me and Brian put a lot of work into trying out every possible way to traverse from one tree to another for the Treeverse project, and we learned to see our Epple hooks as being worth their weight in gold.

Very solidly built. They are simple, stay out of the way when not in use and very manipulateable (is this a word? I say yes.)

If I seem fanatic about this tool, perhaps trad climbers here can relate: when you hang your life on a tool in many dicey situations you sometimes begin to fetishize it...
 
Will, you guys sure did a lot of traversing on that project, so if you say the Ronnie Epple hook is worth it, then I'll look into it.

Thanks, BTW when will the DVD for the Treeverse be available to purchase?
 
Yeah, I just found that thread too, thanks for the link.

Anyone know where I can buy the Epple hook without trying to reach Ronnie? Do we sell them here in the States?
 
According to Ronny, at least as of this March, there is no US retailer for the transfer hook. You can always try to get a hold of Mr. Epple directly at Baumkletterteam.de and try to negotiate purchase. Expect to spent about 75 euros plus shipping and customs. Not cheap, but then quality custom fabricated tools never are.

Chris- the Treeverse dvds will be printed and ready to go by mid December, and we'll be selling them through the Ascending the Giants website. When they're ready I'll post up at the buzz to let everyone know. Of course our kickstarter backers will get them automatically.
 
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According to Ronny, at least as of this March, there is no US retailer for the transfer hook. You can always try to get a hold of Mr. Epple directly at Baumkletterteam.de and try to negotiate purchase. Expect to spent about 75 euros plus shipping and customs. Not cheap, but then quality custom fabricated tools never are.

Chris- the Treeverse dvds will be printed and ready to go by mid December, and we'll be selling them through the Ascending the Giants website. When they're ready I'll post up at the buzz to let everyone know. Of course our kickstarter backers will get them automatically.

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Thanks Will.
 
If you're talkin' about the towing J hooks, they'd be used the same as the Epple hook. Like I say, I've never actually used them so it's purely theoretical. But, I think it might work to hook a limb or crotch and pull yourself to the destination, not around the rope. Seems like they might be more available than the Epple hook and cheaper as well. Looks like they might be heavier also. That could turn out to be a good or a bad thing.
 
Interesting. Kind of the same principal that Gerry Beranek used with the clevis grab throw hook, only Gerry will twist the line so it catches the hook and not just the branch.

Good example of him doing this in one of his Working Climber DVD's...series 1 I believe?
 
The Epple transfer hook is generally used to hook a branch, though it can be swung around the branch to grab the line. I generally go for hooking a branch since I find it easier.

Chewbacca- before we got the epple hooks, we experimented with homemade models a bit. Weight is definitely important. I would think more than a pound and a half and you'll have trouble throwing it far. You'll also be able to throw farther using a skinny static line. Also consider what would happen if the hook came flying at your face, as this can totally happen. I wouldn't want to use one of those towing hooks for that reason.

We had quite a bit of success using larger hooks where the short side of the j came out at an angle, rather than parallel to the long end. We also used 1/2" thick padding and wrapped it in rubber bicycle inner-tubes. This seemed to work very well by maximizing the surface area on the branch. When combined with the grabby rubber of the inner tube, it was very secure on branches even in less than optimal placements.

One thing that is very key is having a secure connection from rope to hook. No carabiners or non-cinching knots. Those will get in the way of flipping or manipulating the hook once it's over the branch, so I always tie a double fisherman's directly to the hook.

Just my two cents...
 
chris, i remember seeing a video a while back about how to use your 'new tribe' hook to set up a traverse. you most likely know all this already, but here goes anyway.
it involves a throwbag and throwline. once you get the bag over a limb in the neighboring tree, you pull it back until the bag is 5 or 6 feet below the branch...tie an alpine butterfly into the throwline and girth in a 2 foot tether to the hook...let the throwline out until the hook makes it over to the other tree...with enough speed the hook will swing around and eventually grab the down side of the throw line...pull it back and the bag will come to you from under the other limb...tie in your traverse line and pull it around to yourself...tie a running bowline or alpine butterfly and choke off the captured limb...traverse away. i'm sure you could devise a retrievable system with a large/small ring cambium saver and a stopper knot.
some time spent, but no tree damage, and potentially easier than starting over from the ground.
happy climbing,
eric
 
I appreciate your two cents worth Will.

Eric, thanks for the info on the New Tribe hook. I seem to remember moss posting some video (or pics?) of that particular method awhile ago.
 
When I click on the link, my browser asks me if I wanna translate it. Here's what it says when I click for english:


Throwing hooks Züfle

optimized by Christoph Züfle throw hooks are designed so that the hook itself upon retraction of the cable automatically sets that he hangs on the bough.

WARNING: Only for experienced climbers!
 
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