Through-cabling with Terminal Fasteners

Why does the A300-3 standard resist proven technology?

  • Needs more research--100,000 satisfied trees are not enough!

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Lots of eyebolts still on the shelves.

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • We've always done it the other way.

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • It costs more to revise training publications than the benefit of changing them.

    Votes: 4 57.1%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .

guymayor

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In another thread, this article was cited.
http://joa.isa-arbor.com/request.asp?JournalID=1&ArticleID=3187&Type=2
My first thought is appreciation for the work with swages, which I did not think of using before. Kudos to Patrick Brewer, a true Tree Expert, for developing this technology, and to other Bartlett staff for doing this study and sharing it on their own dime. Other thoughts:

1. Figure 5. on the top of page 70 clearly shows the cable is not in the middle of the hole, but rubbing one side. This indicates that the system is cross-loaded, not in alignment, due to substandard installation. The reason for choosing this image is unclear.

2. Figure 5 also illustrates that, like any hardware the cable stimulates the growth of callus and woundwood. This reinforcement far outweighs any strength loss from holes getting larger due to improper installation. Since that research, the author has seen the strength of woundwood, having witnessed a very scary hollow rotten red maple with an open cavity ~1/3 circumference at 2013's Biomechanics Week. The tree with such an 'obvious defect' withstood 4.5 kN (~1000 pounds) of pull before failing--but only above and below the cavity--THE WOUNDWOOD DID NOT FAIL! This also calls into question previous guesses in publications about strength loss from decay. Those guesses were based on engineering formulas for pipes. But trees are not pipes.

3. The hollowness evident in that image is deep enough to indicate it existed before the support system was installed. Decay is not as fearsome as we have been taught and re-re-re...taught since 1986. But without thinking, many people have an instinctive loathing for tree hollows, like old Arthur Radley in To Kill a Mockingbird. Between that hollow and the cross-loading, this may be the worst possible image to illustrate through-cabling.

4. The caption for Figure 5., "Galvanized EHS steel cable that has widened the hole in the bark and terminated with a Wire Stop fastener." is ungrammatical, which does not befit the ISA journal. The sentence would logically end with 'bark'--that's the end of the relevant information. The substandard cross-loading, and the apparent preexisting hollow, would certainly have been relevant to mention. But they were not.
No matter what kind of terminal fastener is used--swages, WireStop, WedgeGrip, Endz--hole enlargement will occur in a cross-loaded system--as it will with j-lags and bolts or any other fastener!!. The reason for adding "and terminated with a Wire Stop fastener" to a complete sentence, rendering it incoherent, is not clear. This study seems to go out of its way to cast doubt on this technology.

5. If the mean size of enlargement is 6mm, the total hole size is still less that a throughbolt, so that helps prove the benefits of through-cabling!

6. Swages held up under 7 kN (~1500#) of pull, making them an obvious choice for small trees. The small group that revised the A300 cabling standard was handpicked and wielded by a Bartlett employee, so they should have been well aware of this research. Yet swages were not mentioned at all in the A300 revision, and through-cabling is barely mentioned. Even though ~17,000 WireStops are sold every year, anyone using terminal fasteners has to read between the lines in the standard to figure out if they are A300-compliant (they are). Tens of thousands of terminal-fastened support systems are holding trees together today. Why does this standard resist proven technology?
 
Haven't got all the way through everything but I'm wondering what the strength differences are in the systems? is through cabling 10% stronger due to there being no splice or ....?
 
sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder, and your survey is skewed. I do get your point, and it's another tool in the bag when used correctly.
 
sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder, and your survey is skewed. I do get your point, and it's another tool in the bag when used correctly.
Guy's survey has 4 answers that sway for his argument so it is definitely skewed 1 sided.

As for guy with any other questions I'll just stick with my original one for now it's not clear to me yet.
You are very up to date on the standards and know there ins and outs. Have you ever got involved with there making/ rewriting? Is easy to sit back and make noise about how they can't keep up with the times, but have you asked anyone in the know for an explanation? My guess is no by the look of your survey.
 
"Was a hand spliced cable, with eye bolt, tested? It is a standard practice with Bartlett."
Riggsy(?), yes, that company practices that standard and will not change. Hence the problem, and the questions. Look at the link and you'll see the study was confined to topic in the title.

Kevin yes the answers are skewed, by experience. I participated in 7 A300 meetings, and chaired the Part 8 Root subgroup (give it a read sometime). After the heavy lifting was done, the subgroup chair was taken over by the dominant corporation. A300 does not allow participation by observers, but I do still comment, as in the new IPM standard, which advances the agenda for Nozzlehead Nation, but works against the environment, and the little guys.

There's unfortunately a big difference between being 'in the know' and 'in control'.

Re the poll, the first answer was sarcastic--sorry!--but the other 3 seem to apply.
 

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Guy if you have this data why don't you share it with us the guys are asking for entries in the articles section. If you have a report on how and what you have come up with I'd give it a read for sure same with the big maple thread about the cavities etc. That would give us a better grasp on where you are coming from
 
Kevin good plan i saved the vid i think and could narrate it. It's got the 'in the know' crowd in it tho; maybe they'd sue me for showing they saw it too! ;) jk

the other thread was simple, and typical; we all see those. Funny thing is, in Europe or oz they'd be grooving on the wildlife in it more than sweating over the low-moderate risk
 
Kevin good plan i saved the vid i think and could narrate it. It's got the 'in the know' crowd in it tho; maybe they'd sue me for showing they saw it too! ;) jk

the other thread was simple, and typical; we all see those. Funny thing is, in Europe or oz they'd be grooving on the wildlife in it more than sweating over the low-moderate risk

The more often you get your point out for people to see and mull over the sooner people start putting in there day to day knowledge. I know I often read the same things a few times
 

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