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I believe convincing the Russian's to control their boy was the underlying strategy behind Obama's gambit. I think there has been serious behind the scenes arm-twisting/deals etc. If Obama wanted to start it up with Syria it would've already happened.
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I believe convincing the Russian's to control their boy was the underlying strategy behind Obama's gambit.

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I think you give Obama too much credit, he was stalling on a decision because he knew the majority of Americans are against going into yet another war with no known outcome.

Even if Assad was removed from power the sectarian violence will continue just like it is in Iraq and Afghanistan with 100s of people being killed daily with car bombs and suicide bombers. But then the western media don't report from these places anymore.

America, the UK and their allies have left Iraq and Afghanistan in complete turmoil. The Taleban are on their way back in Afghanistan and the sectarian violence between muslims in Iraq is causing huge human suffering for the ordinary man, woman and child in the street.

The most ironic thing about America, the UK and France etc is that they believe liberal interventionism is an enlightened approach to countries they barely begin to understand.
 
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I think you give Obama too much credit, he was stalling on a decision because he knew the majority of Americans are against going into yet another war with no known outcome.

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I don't think it's an unusual strategy. Used quite a bit in poker, street corners, and international diplomacy. What's unusual compared to recent past U.S. military actions is Obama put it up (targeting Assad military assets) for public debate and a vote. Tells me he really doesn't want to do it but is happy to take advantage of his bluff if it will accomplish international collaboration to solve the chemical weapon problem.
 
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I think you give Obama too much credit, he was stalling on a decision because he knew the majority of Americans are against going into yet another war with no known outcome.

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I don't think it's an unusual strategy. Used quite a bit in poker, street corners, and international diplomacy. What's unusual compared to recent past U.S. military actions is Obama put it up (targeting Assad military assets) for public debate and a vote. Tells me he really doesn't want to do it but is happy to take advantage of his bluff if it will accomplish international collaboration to solve the chemical weapon problem.

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You got it moss. If this deal really goes down it will not be comparable to anything I can remember in my life. Somehow it is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
 
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What's unusual compared to recent past U.S. military actions is Obama put it up (targeting Assad military assets) for public debate and a vote.

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He only chose to do that because the UK Prime Minister David Cameron took the same proposed military action to the UK Parliament and the UK Parliament rejected the proposition.

Obama basically chose to go down the same route, if he loses the vote he'll do as Cameron did and just say, 'that's democracy'

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-...resident-bashar



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Is there a solution to the turmoil in Syria and the rest of the region?

The whole works seems so much like a tensegrity. A rigid structure composed of tension and compression where a force in one place is displaced around the whole structure.
 
There is certainly no force in place that really cares.

It's a single case where the subject is "poisonous gas" and how we stop it from happening again. That's it, the rest is another day for now. And if it solved diplomatically then this is a victory for the side of humanity. It doesn't usually fall in that direction. I for one think about living with one another on this planet.
 
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Is there a solution to the turmoil in Syria and the rest of the region?


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-24056728

this is a daily occurance in Iraq and other middle eastern countries, sectarian violence, been going on for centuries, will continue for centuries, well after the current Syrian conflict is forgotten
 
I think the emphasis on sectarian violence is way overstated. They would get along fine if they had enough water. Religion Is merely an excuse and a dividing line
 
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