Stupid cabling idea

Jemco said:
Annual propping n support techniques in frigid climes isn't listed in the ANSI Standards for the tree industry my dear colleague.

Perhaps the Farmer's Almanac?

Jemco
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THe A300 cabling and bracing standards don't apply to orchard [edit] production.

If you think that a part of the Standard should deal with propping for whatever reason you should contact the committee.
 
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How many fruit/orchard trees bear any similarities to their origins as wild trees? The wild has been bred out of them. Thinking we can even think that orchard, in fact any urban tree, to grow like wild trees isn't realistic.

The Fox explains 'taming' to The Little Prince

Foresters/loggers, arborists and orchardists all take care of trees. They are all tamed in different ways so one maintenance regimen can't be applied universally.
 
You can bet your azz every orchard in an adverse clime's been properly pruned for a dang good reason.

Weren't you a cobra peddler a few years ago Tom?

Jemco
 
'Peddler'??? @Jemco ... that can carry a variety of connotations. Please let me know what you mean. Then I can answer your question.


Non-invasive cabling has a place. Today there are so many options available to us. When I got into treework in mid '70s the guy who taught me worked for Northwestern Bell as a lineman. All of the cabling hardware he used was exactly the same as Bell Systems...I wonder why? ;)

Now..so many options and even a Standard...the applies to the urban forest but would be a stretch to apply to an orchard.

From what I've learned about commercial orchard production the trees become shaped to accommodate harvesting systems first and balanced against production. Pick your own or lower volume orchards may have more natural looking trees. Either way...certainly not the same as a homeowner's yard with 4...6...8 trees...and most of the fruit going to bees and deer.
 
So under what conditions does selling a client on Cobra become justified Tom?

How does supporting a tree/branch not weaken it long term?

Jemco
 
Jemco...that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too complex to write out. I've gone into this so many times, if you want to know what I've written you'll have to search out what I've written. I'm not dodging your answer. I'm tired of going over an over and over old topics.

Putting in some kind of support doesn't 'weaken' the branch. It supports the union. That's the weak point.

It was rare that I didn't sell a job as 'prune and support'.

@Jemco...you seem to hav e missed my question that I asked you to answer...scroll up...what do you mean by 'peddler'? I understand your writing style, using loaded words to add catches. Be polite, answer my question. Oh...and answer your own questions before asking others. That's part of polite discussion not arguments.
 
I'm just curious about why any arborist would argue the validity n logic underlying the standard of removing stakes n braces within 1-2 years?

There's either a valid reason for the standard applying or there isn't dang it!

Jemco
 
Jemco said:
...why any arborist would argue the validity n logic underlying the standard of removing stakes n braces within 1-2 years?
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Since nobody said anything about cabling or bracing anything for longer than that, you need to work on that J E Mooring a bit... perhaps J E Trolling or J E Boring are available. Even the catfish are getting tired of the same bait being thrown out every cast.
 
I'm not going to hold my breath waitin round for Tom to admit he's peddlin BS pushin Cobra the way he and others do.

Suffice to say I'm mortifified that so called arborists can be so seriously fugged up.

When pro's start peddlin BS......

C-Yu!

J E fuggin Mooring...
 
Jemco said:
I'm not going to hold my breath waitin round for Tom to admit he's peddlin BS pushin Cobra the way he and others do.

Suffice to say I'm mortifified that so called arborists can be so seriously fugged up.

When pro's start peddlin BS......

C-Yu!

J E fuggin Mooring...
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I'll take a deep breath....hmmm....and try to have patience with J.

What do you mean...third time now...by 'peddlin'?
I make nothing from whatever gear I like or not. No sales commission for me.

I've been a fan of non-invasive cabling. There are many systems. They all have their place. Again..no commission coming my way.

J...what is your beef with non-invasive cabling? Since you seem to have some misinformed beef with me...either put up or shut up. Tell me what my stance is on cabling and bracing? Be clear...not more of this flying off the handle b lathering.
 
jed1124 said:
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This and a ratchet strap are what we use for pre tensioning. Fast and works great.
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Okay! There's a thought. How do you configure it to pull the cable taut when there's no anchor besides the one you're bolted through? I'm assuming that you're tensioning your cable with that cable puller and wrapping it under tension.
 
Similar tool, we use a Haven’s grip and come along. Anchor the come along with a webbing or rope sling a little above or below the bolt or lag.
 
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