Stein dual VS. GRCS?

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Reg Coate's baby VS. Greg Good's


Which is more versatile?

Which is the better deal?

Which is more robust?

Any and all comments are welcomed :)

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I do like the 2 rope deal of the Stein for sure though
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I just can't see ever using two ropes at once and I like the lifting ability of the grcs, so the grcs gets my vote.

Are you in the market for one or the other Cary?
 
Reg's device looks like it will take some really good hits over and over again (while lowering). So, for lowering loads, Reg's idea is prolly the better choice. Especially, since you get 2 bollards on one device... For which, I'll most likely buy one.

The GRCS, however, is a lot quicker to transition to lifting, locking off a load, and lowering. The GRCS has a 2 speed winch also. You can't beat a 2 speed winch on a lifting device.
 
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I wasnt saying anything bad about doing that, we just dont. When I used to work with larger crews, it was fairly common for us to use multiple ropes. Now that I am part of a two man crew we just dont really ever use two ropes where we need a bollard for each. If we do, we bring out the GRCS and a porty.
 
You know, I love the GRCS--and it is capable of great lifting tasks (esp. because of the 2 speed winch). On the other hand, I do a lot of big removals for which a second bollard would be nice. Last week we did a 36" DBH Doug fir next to a house and driveway. Anyway, about 20 ft. up the stem splits into 2 codominants and at the widest part becomes about 48" diameter. We pull over that fat piece (approx. 8ft. long), 4 wraps on 5/8" Dynasorb, and it just stretched down to the ground and punched a crescent shaped hole in the pavement at the base of the tree. Yeah, I should have put a round at the base of the tree to absorb the blow, my bad (and my cost, too!)

Having 2 lines with 2 blocks on the big wood would have a great benefit in slowing and handling the piece in tight quarters. Rather than getting the Stein Dual (a little pricey)--I think I'll get the Stein single (500 bucks) and have a nice double, then, when I use it in combination with my GRCS. I have used it double with a port-a-wrap, but I believe the pieces will run smoother with bollards of roughly the same size (e.g., the GRCS and the Stein).
 
Man I've always wanted to spar rig two blocks and lines below a 10' sausage and let fly just to see what happens. If you pre-load each line, let's say 3:1, then let 'er rip will the piece display the same fall before hitting the brakes or would there be less.
I love the GRCS but I sure want to experiment with the Stein Dual. Has anyone lowered with two lines and two porties? What's the effect?
 
We did a 130' DF (approx. 40" DBH) on a steep hillside next to a house and had 3 rigging lines: 1 GRCS at the base of the fir and 2 port-a-wraps with rigging blocks set on separate firs. As the phat rounds came over, all 3 rigging lines did their bit, with 3 groundies letting out slack as needed. The system worked extremely well, distributing the shock load and insuring that we could place the pieces just so in to be yarded out by a steel cable/winch. I don't really think that it matters if you use separate devices, so long as each guy is doing his bit and monitoring the braking.

Reg's dual bollard Stein allows one guy to do the work for 2 rigging lines. I find that to be a great feature. I think that I can get the same results from the single Stein and my GRCS attached close together at the base of the stem.
 
GRCS gets my vote....Really like the way it changes from lifting to lowering from one limb to the next and with the aluminum bollard and the proper wraps and use of the pigtails fiction control is excellent...IMO
 
Working with gravity rather than against it is obvious. There are times when lifting is required but fairly rare. 4:1 seems to work so far. No doubt the GRCS would be nice but I'm putting two portawraps on one tree and I've never been stuck because I didn't have a GRCS. So personally I'd get the Dual first then get the GRCS.
 
well thought out rigging drums . Greg Goods is awesome and Reg is awesome too . The dual drum on Regs device gets my vote. options are a plus , no insult intended .
 
That we are even being compared to the GRCs, Hobbs, and portawrap at such an early stage is flattering enough, but probably far too early until the devices have been out there a couple more years....and used by different skill sets.

Funny thing is, theres a guy already posted on this thread who made a device that beats them all, has the best of both, and existed long before.

Upon seeing the images I was encouraged that at least I'd been thinking along similar lines without ever having seen his work before. Not only is he a great innovater, but also has integrity of the highest order!
 
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Funny thing is, theres a guy already posted on this thread who made a device that beats them all, has the best of both, and existed long before.



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Whoever it is......lets see the device. Pics please.

As for the GRCS and REg's Double Drum, I can't comment as I only use the Buckingham Portawrap and very occasionally the Hobbs.
 
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Funny thing is, theres a guy already posted on this thread who made a device that beats them all, has the best of both, and existed long before.



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Whoever it is......lets see the device. Pics please.

As for the GRCS and REg's Double Drum, I can't comment as I only use the Buckingham Portawrap and very occasionally the Hobbs.

[/ QUOTE ] Probably said too much already Grover, you'll just have to take my word for it
 
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