Steel core lanyard failure.

seanlarkin said:
Thanks for the replies everyone. I was out Friday and Monday, so getting caught up and looking up answers for everyone. But real quick, regarding the 5/8", I recall it being discussed internally not long ago. Maybe a year or so, but we weren't sure it had enough demand. However, seeing the replies here, I'm bringing it back up for discussion.

To my knowledge, the 5/8 wire-core uses the same diameter wire; the extra diameter is just from the jacket. Does that change anyone's mind, or is the 5/8 preference just about how it feels in hand?

I'll work on getting the rest of the replies answered real soon.

-Sean
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Hi Sean

I couldn't work out how to PM you.

Twenty years ago I have had an experience with a steel core flip line failure at height. Not the brand being discussed however they appear similar.

I had already ordered new fliplines from the US and they arrived in Australia on the day that should have been my funeral. On top of the new items (in the package) was a safety alert for the cause of that failure. This safety alert was dated five years earlier. I was very cross that I wasn't informed. In this age, information sharing isn't a problem.

Regards
Graeme McMahon
 
Graeme,

Nice to see you here. That is a spooky story. Glad to see that the failure wasn't fatal! You know, we have enough to watch out for in this business without having to worry about equipment failure.

And you are right. when there is a safety issue every manufacturer and retailer should do their very best to contact every single individual that could be affected. And in this day in age it's a much easier task.

Stay well and hello to Angus!
 
No Bixler, old and pushing your luck under real world storage and use conditions is more like 2 years, maybe 3 if life is not that interesting to you.

I replace mine every spring as a result of a lanyard failure earlier in life.
 
Oh my!
That is some dedicated replacement belief there Merle!!
I am insanely good at not worrying about these types of things. Wish me luck.


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Ha, ha August. Yeah, luck.

My mind goes to, "How long does it take to work harden this cable and break it a strand at a time?"

The answer I keep coming up with is, I don't want to find out - again.
 
btw, the collective colleague alarm on this subject did motivate me to peel back the rubber and check my current flip line, a "Climb Right;"
It looks like this....
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Kind of chintzy looking to me,
It looked more trustworthy with the rubber boot on it. : /


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Good job August. Now it can "breath" and be visually inspected. No flaky stuff, no residue. THAT looks good and new. Yes, likely Climb Right; since it is aluminum nicopress type of sleeve. Holds 5,000 lbs + when new.

Yes, I suspect the black shrink tubing is to make it LOOK better, but in wet environments, it's not a good idea.

I'll explain another day, I have to get to work; I might have time tonight.

For NOW, I suggest everyone remove shrink tubing. NEVER tape over the crimp area either. These nicopress crimp sleeves really are NOT swages, that's why you don't see me saying swages.

But feel confident in that flipline August. Retire it when 3 yrs old. 2 years in wet conditions like Pacific NorthWest, is my opinion.
 
theXman said:
over a year ago, maybe two years ago now, a friend in California told me that their employee went to go spike up a tree using a steel core flipline. After about 5 feet off the ground, the flipline broke and he fell. Luckily he was near the ground. The cable looked great in the visual area, but just inside the rope cover, the cable was rusted away. The owner went to the arborist store that he buys the fliplines from and many other products., expressed his concern and asked if maybe there should be a recall or caution statement. The arborist store didn't seem to care.

maybe one or two lives doesn't matter when it comes to big quantities of sales
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Just taking a look at this thread and that is some crazy messed up shit! Thanks for pointing it out


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Retired my Climb-right after 2 plus years. It was getting rusty. Ordered the 15’ of Tritech line. Within 2 weeks I nicked it with the chainsaw. Color makes it camo in the tree plus steel core flips so much easier. Also dealing with pitch on a rope grab is way easier than pitch on a hitch. Haha Is a poet and didn’t know it. Just ordered a Yale Maxiflip...I hope to get at least 2years out of it.


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The Yale Maxi in 5/8 feels good for rope size in my hand, unfortunately they now put on steel snaps about big enough to double as a boat anchor.

The Maxi Sport in 1/2 can be had (possibly all are made with) a nice feature in that the cordage is an integral part of the eye splices. With this feature if a person ever used it too long and the steel core had bent back and forth in one place enough to break one strand at a time and separate, the cordage would still hold you.

Edit - Actually they are not splices on the 1/2. They are bent over and compression crimps are used.
 
Just read through this thread....pretty scary stuff and sad too.

I am very surprised to hear that most people are using their wire core fliplines 2 years and beyond.
I toss mine after about a year, mostly because I don’t trust the wire to last. I feel that There is too much twisting and bending to trust that wire.
 
I gave up on wire core a long time ago. Expensive, the cable is very prone to failure, and to me they offer little more than a false sense of security.

I make my own with Samson 3 stand (5/8"-7/8"). Super strong & safe, last a very long time, and rolls up a big stick like a mofo if you have good technique. If you are not up for splicing your own, I highly recommend the 5/8" Staple Braid flip-line that Wesspur sells. Incredible hand, and again rolls up a spar extremely well.
 
rico said:
I gave up on wire core a long time ago. Expensive, the cable is very prone to failure, and to me they offer little more than a false sense of security.

I make my own with Samson 3 stand (5/8"-7/8"). Super strong & safe, last a very long time, and rolls up a big stick like a mofo if you have good technique. If you are not up for splicing your own, I highly recommend the 5/8" Staple Braid flip-line that Wesspur sells. Incredible hand, and again rolls up a spar extremely well.
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I never liked the cable for “security” but rather for the stiffness which made it easy to control.

I would like to try the the 5/8 from wesspur that you recommend.
Thank you!
 
MA Arborist said:
I never liked the cable for “security” but rather for the stiffness which made it easy to control.

I would like to try the the 5/8 from wesspur that you recommend.
Thank you!
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The wire core is easier to use in smaller stuff, but actually becomes counter productive when you get into wood much over 3 ft. When you get into larger wood you need to know how to properly roll a flip-line up the trunk. This rolling action is much easier to create with a standard line, than one with wire in it.
Watch some vids of the old timers rolling their line up a big old Stick. Wire core? Hell no! Mostly plain old 7/8"-1" manilla. They own that line, and make it their b******tch. A technique every tree-man worth his salt should become proficient at.
 
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