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Jeff_Cochran

Jeff_Cochran

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i can do a locking brummel on tennex and i want to start making things out of sixteen strand and some of the smaller double braids. what should my next step be? any tools, books, or videos would be appreciated, thanks jeff.
 
When I was in your position I went out and bought a bunch of tubular fids. What a waste of money. I only use them for the measurements which you can get online. I eventually went out and bought several different sizes of piano wire and made up some wire fids. That seemed to be the ticked. Before those I couldnt get dbl braid slice to work but after doing it with wire fids they are easy and they usually turn out pretty nice.

I got the Samson vid and splicing manual for Christmas this last year and they are nice, but again you can find just about all of that stuff online. Then things that helped me learn was trying it at home and then taking pics, posting them here(and other forums as well) and asking questions and getting feed back.
 
If I were you I'd come up to the Penn Del Western TCC, compete, then go to the Spring Splicing Symposium. Then compete in the eastern TCC the following Saturday.!!!!

It's a beautiful plan.

Tony
 
Eastern TCC May 7th

Splicing Symposium May 12th and 13th

Western TCC May 21

If your coming, PM me I can probably arrange for "rustic" accommodations East and/or West

Tony
 
Jeff I have some short pieces of safety blue hi-vee (5-10ft) if you want to pm me your address I'll send you a couple to practice on. They are not really long enough to do much with but they are great for practice. Let me know if you want them and I'll try to get them in the mail asap.
 
Hey jeff I'm staying away from the house for a couple days so it'll be later this week before I can ship out the rope. I have already picked out a couple of the longer ones both close to 10ft and I'm also gig to throw a short piece of tachyon in there for whenever you decide to try double braid. I'll give you a heads up when I drop it in the mail
 
Jeff I say DO get the tube fids if you're going to do DB. Especially if you are doing tachyon New England specs are for using tube fids. Hattier says tube fid spliced is stronger than wire fid. Plus a real splicer should be able to use only tube fids. In my opinion. 16 strand wire fid. You get that lanyard yet? Answer your phone!
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Hattier says tube fid spliced is stronger than wire fid. Plus a real splicer should be able to use only tube fids. In my opinion.

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dieselcutter could you tell me what you mean by this, or maybe Rich can expand on it. I don't know how a tool can make a splice stronger, isn't it the method that you'd use?
 
This stems from a whole bunch o' Tachyon splicing for certification. We sent in a ton of splices for certification, all of which were done using a wire fid for the crossover.....the splices passed, but were not quite as strong as what I thought they should be...Turned out that two factors were in play affecting the overall strength.

Firstly, we were tightening the section where the cover bury and core bury come together a bit too much, resulting in a slight weakness as too tight of a connection acted as a shearing agent under massive load...

Secondly, for some reason using a hollow fid for the crossover results in less disruption during the crossover than a wire fid does....the end result being that the hollow fid crossovers tested out stronger..

Once we amended our splicing for Tachyon to include a slightly looser connection between cover and core as well as using tubular fids for the final crossovers we far exceeded the required strengths for certification by NER (the initial splices passed as well, but not by as much as our current specs)

I have seen Tachyon done a bunch of ways by a bunch of different splicers/companies. I would suggest sticking to the NER recommendations for this one... Many ropes can be manipulated during the splice to achieve extra strength, but Tachyon in particular seems to be a bit finicky with achieving the required strength after splicing.
 
So lightly stitching the cross over is a bad idea?

I use a tubular fid to put the cover in the core. Is this what you are talking about?
 
Rich, thanks for taking the time and explaining this for us. Those are very intersting findings. I can see now what dieselcutter was refering to.

Casey, I don't think that lightly stitching the crossover is a bad idea, provided that you do not pull the initial stitches so tight that you end up distorting the cover braid inside the crossover spliced area.
 
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Casey, I don't think that lightly stitching the crossover is a bad idea, provided that you do not pull the initial stitches so tight that you end up distorting the cover braid inside the crossover spliced area.

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Yup ok thanks. Yea it is loosely stitched.
 
Interesting. Is it better to have an abrupt crossover, or a longer one where the cover and core run side by side a little? Sometimes the core bunches a little at the crossover and makes the final bury more difficult. I'm talking about the core bury on PI or Blaze, for which I am using a coat hanger wire fid. I use the tube for the cover bury because it's easy.
Splicing is fun, but my hands are killing! Am I doing something wrong, or do those two lines just have the tightest cover braid of them all?
Rebecca
 
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