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For info on the slingshot set up that Scott Altenhoof uses...check out www.newtribe.com or look in their recent catalog.

Any good slingshot can be set up with a reel and line guide. The trick is the tiny shot pouches for the Berkely Fireline (fishing line).

I thought there was a link on new tribe showing how to modify the slingshot but I can't find it.
 
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Here is a picture of my SRT set up. I use a pantin on one foot and my other foot goes in the foot loop the I am holding. Please feel free to make any coments, good or bad.

Oops, the picture is huge and rotated, if any administrator can fix that I would appreciate it.
 

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Here is a slightly different angle. Again sorry about the size.
 

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Does anyone have a suggestion for a way to accend srt without using a pantin.The verdict is really out as far as im concerned on the long term benefits of this device.I ve used it multiple times and it really hurts my knee.Dont really care to footlock single line either,love dbl rp footlocking.well just looking for input.Has anyone else had pain from a pantin or is it just me?
 
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Tom,
If I use an SRT at this stage I will use the Tree Frog setup: Pantin, RHT Handled ascender to footloop and a chest ascender. I'll take a picture and post it.

Paolo,
I'll be at Capel Manor so i'll come and seek you out - thanks.
 
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The early caving systems used a foot stirrup with a Gibb's ascender sewn in. After a while some of the cavers were getting injured ankles from the cam being mounted on the top of the foot. When the stirrup was loaded this twisted the ankle. The next design was to keep the cam low and on the outside of the ankle. This is what the Pantin is derived from.

Here's what I've found for locating the P on your ankle. Think of the knob of your ankle bone as the center of a clock looking face on. The rope should exit the top of the P at about 3:15 or 3:30. In other words, just a smidgeon below and behind the ankle bone. Once you have the P located with the boots that you climb in take a stitch in the webbing to lock the foot stirrup in place.

The climbers that I've told about this have had less ropes popping out of the P and their ankles feel much better.

CJ,

If your knee hurts I have to wonder if you're going up the rope with knees cranked to the side like a frog. Keeping your knees in front of you like you're sitting down into a chair will keep the loads in a more natural/ergonomic plane.
 

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My P with the 'Tom-Touch'

I got rid of the buckles and sewed on a spring buckle. The end of the webbing is cut at an angle and the edges are melted flat so that it's easy to thread. This buckle can be attached with winter gloves on over Sorel boots.

There is a metal slider on the foot stirrup. this helps to keep the stirrup adjusted but after having it slip some I just stitched it down.

When I loaded the picture I saw that it was taken in 2000 and I had already had the P for sometime before that. The P is in my Top Ten Most Useful Tool Kit.
 

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GLeasy bar set up.

It's easy to connect/disconnect
It's fast up a rope
It keeps all your joints in line, no tweaking your hips/knees
It drives ladies wild
All you need is a set of ascenders and some kind of backup


I'll post a pic if I ever get around to it, I'm coo coo for the T bars
 
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The early caving systems used a foot stirrup with a Gibb's ascender sewn in. After a while some of the cavers were getting injured ankles from the cam being mounted on the top of the foot. When the stirrup was loaded this twisted the ankle. The next design was to keep the cam low and on the outside of the ankle. This is what the Pantin is derived from.

Here's what I've found for locating the P on your ankle. Think of the knob of your ankle bone as the center of a clock looking face on. The rope should exit the top of the P at about 3:15 or 3:30. In other words, just a smidgeon below and behind the ankle bone. Once you have the P located with the boots that you climb in take a stitch in the webbing to lock the foot stirrup in place.

The climbers that I've told about this have had less ropes popping out of the P and their ankles feel much better.



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I tried that Tom. It didn't work; the cam catches on the boot making entry and exit difficult, and it threw the rope too easily. I gave it a good chance and shifted it into lots of slightly different places. It also made my ankle cant over too much. It could be to do with the thicker chainsaw protected boots we wear.

I now wear it just behind the knob of the ankle in the hollow there. Its set so the rope runs through the cam just going over the ankle knob. I find this position very comfortable, keeping proper alignment of ankle and knee. The rope doesn't get thrown, the cam operates freely allowing easy entry exit of the rope and the shell doesn't interfere with jamming a foot in a crotch. You will need a boot that goes above the ankle, or ankle strap padding.

There is only one major drawback of this position that I have found; its so comfortable and forgetable, that if you loan it to your buddy who wants to give it a try, he drives off home still wearing it (seriously, its happened twice now!). Sorry, that makes two major drawbacks - driving with it on could be dangerous
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Just my experience.
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Zac and Tom, are yours homemade or bought? If they are homemade what do you use for the bars? Can you do that with Petzl ascenders?
 
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Laz,

The hollow is the place where I put it too. Keeping the P low and snug is the key.

emr,

They're made by a TB member. I'll get hold of him to see if he's still looking for business.

The CMIs are the only ones they work with because of the upper hole configuration.
 
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I agree with Tom the Pantin is a wonderful tool. I do have a question though. I know ascenders have to be backed up so if you're using two of the petzl ascenders on srt are they considered backing each other up? Could you use the same loop runner for both of the ascenders or would you have to run two separate loop runners? My current setup I'm using one with a vt above it as a back up and then run drt of that. I would like to try using both and do away with the vt if this is acceptable or a common practice. Also Tom I like those gleasy bars. I'm envious.
 
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Look at the connection chain when you're thinking of backups.

If the chain leads from the rope back to your harness then you have a parallel backup. If the chain goes from the rope through common connections then it's in series. My preferance is to have as complete a parallel system as practical.

Reading On Rope will give you a good idea of...well, lots of things. OR should be mandatory reading for everyone who works on ropes.
 
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I'm a big fan of footlocking single line. Either on a klemheist or backed up ascender. Working off of either of them is nice, but I find it a little un-nerving to have an acender so far away and with all of my weight on it. ...even though it's backed up. So generally, I go up prepared to work off the acender, but switch over when I reach the top.
 
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I was curious if anyone was using the two petzl ascenders in conjunction with the pantin and a foot loop on say the left foot attached to the left hand ascender. I think this is similar to the rope walker system but was looking through the catalogs today and considered that kind of set up. I have the blue ascender but have been thinking about the yello(left). Would this be something that would be very effective?
 
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Yes, I used it a lot but kind of gave it up to practice foot locking. I use the same set up as you described but added a kroll to my voltiege harness to keep me close to the line on ascent.
 
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With the Frog Walker system I can sit back and take a break with my weight on the chest harness. It feels better being supported at my chest/tummy rather than from the tether going up to the ascender. The reasoon might be because I can go a little limp and not have to support myself so much.

When I used two seperate handled ascenders it seemed to be clunky like Mahk says.

No matter what system is used sizing all of the tethers is critical to maximize effeciency. Get it close and then make quarter inch adjustments.
 
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My single and double GLeasy bars.

[/ QUOTE ]Same as a Mar bar correct?
 
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