Show off them splices

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I have done a few DB splices in Ocean Poly hitch cords and found that it is easy to splice when new. So, I assume it would be possible to splice the Ocean Poly in your CE lanyard with a DB splice. But if it is old dried out cordage I have no idea how easy it will be. Guess you won't know until you try?

Nah.. Nah..
I'm talking about the lanyard..
"If you accidentally cut the eye of your CE Lanyard"

 

[Brocky]

Is it just a double braid, or something else?

 

[ARLO]

Nah.. Nah..
I'm talking about the lanyard..
"If you accidentally cut the eye of your CE Lanyard"

I thought the lanyard is made from Ocean Poly. Is that not right?

 

[ghostice]

I thought the lanyard is made from Ocean Poly. Is that not right?

Sirius 11 mm, at least the old ones pre-HipStar days (it's light green and black). Ocean Poly I think is the prussik material to the pinto pulley/ biner, Ocean Vectran makes up the thimble prussik.
Probably good luck trying to splice Sirius with the usual Class1 DB splice - I can't even get the core plucked out, the cover is so tight. Also some places won't sew you a new eye splice in used rope. Knots anyone?

https:// www.treestuff.com/store/images/pdf/CELANYARDINFO.pdf

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I thought the lanyard is made from Ocean Poly. Is that not right?

If you read the manual you would be lead to think that.. but it's definitely not, as that's the prusik cordage.

Sirius 11 mm, at least the old ones pre-HipStar days (it's light green and black).

Again, as per the manual you would want to think so.. Also i don't believe the construction has changed with the renaming.. by i could be wrong.. the cover construction sure looks the same..

Ocean Poly I think is the prussik material to the pinto pulley/ biner, Ocean Vectran makes up the thimble prussik.

Yes

Probably good luck trying to splice Sirius with the usual Class1 DB splice - I can't even get the core plucked out, the cover is so tight. Also some places won't sew you a new eye splice in used rope. Knots anyone?

https:// www.treestuff.com/store/images/pdf/CELANYARDINFO.pdf

Sirius Bull Rope is a bit tight but definatley doable..
Sew- I'm only taking about splicing though..

Is it just a double braid, or something else?

Ahh haaaa! You win the prize! This is the root of my question..

I posted that original question as vauge as possible without giving away what i was driving at.. Personally, for the longest time i always thought it was a one off pattern Tachyon or something like that, but then Taylor Hammel mentioned to me a while back that it was a Sirius line.. So it kinda threw me for a loop.. but then i thought to myself, I've never seen anyone hand spliced it after wearing an end out or after an accidental cutting/slicing... nor had i ever seen the cordage for sale anywhere per foot. Not only that but the carrier design is a two strand, vs the typical 4, just really different than what I've seen & touched from the Sirius rigging line or Prusik line. This was until i inadvertantly found a hank if it on eBay, bought it & realized it has a Parallel core..

I think what it is, is one of those one off production runs, where their using the Cover design of Sirius 550 from FSE Robline & utilizing the core from something else.. hence why you've never seen it for sale anywhere & if something similar looking is found (like the Sirius 550), the mbs is different, the core is wrong or its listed as sizes that don't correlate with the lanyard itself.

Regardless, i was just curious how many others were under the same confusing impressions as i was & left scratching their head..

Anyhow, after handling it, i can now see why it's a desirable peice of cordage for a lanyard.. It's very rugged compared to other arborist lines I've played with. I've always thought the Sirius Bull line was too supple to be considered a good cordage for a work position line, but whatever they are using in this, is a totally different animal.

 

[ARLO]

Sirius 11 mm, at least the old ones pre-HipStar days (it's light green and black). Ocean Poly I think is the prussik material to the pinto pulley/ biner, Ocean Vectran makes up the thimble prussik.
Probably good luck trying to splice Sirius with the usual Class1 DB splice - I can't even get the core plucked out, the cover is so tight. Also some places won't sew you a new eye splice in used rope. Knots anyone?

https:// www.treestuff.com/store/images/pdf/CELANYARDINFO.pdf

I just looked at the Wesspur site and they don't offer Sirius rope with either a spliced or sewn eye. So it will be interesting to see if anybody can splice it. Maybe a Marlowbraid splice?

 

[Tr33Climb3r]

If you read the manual you would be lead to think that.. but it's definitely not, as that's the prusik cordage.

Again, as per the manual you would want to think so.. Also i don't believe the construction has changed with the renaming.. by i could be wrong.. the cover construction sure looks the same..

Yes


Sirius Bull Rope is a bit tight but definatley doable..
Sew- I'm only taking about splicing though..


Ahh haaaa! You win the prize! This is the root of my question..

I posted that original question as vauge as possible without giving away what i was driving at.. Personally, for the longest time i always thought it was a one off pattern Tachyon or something like that, but then Taylor Hammel mentioned to me a while back that it was a Sirius line.. So it kinda threw me for a loop.. but then i thought to myself, I've never seen anyone hand spliced it after wearing an end out or after an accidental cutting/slicing... nor had i ever seen the cordage for sale anywhere per foot. Not only that but the carrier design is a two strand, vs the typical 4, just really different than what I've seen & touched from the Sirius rigging line or Prusik line. This was until i inadvertantly found a hank if it on eBay, bought it & realized it has a Parallel core..

I think what it is, is one of those one off production runs, where their using the Cover design of Sirius 550 from FSE Robline & utilizing the core from something else.. hence why you've never seen it for sale anywhere & if something similar looking is found (like the Sirius 550), the mbs is different, the core is wrong or its listed as sizes that don't correlate with the lanyard itself.

Regardless, i was just curious how many others were under the same confusing impressions as i was & left scratching their head..

Anyhow, after handling it, i can now see why it's a desirable peice of cordage for a lanyard.. It's very rugged compared to other arborist lines I've played with. I've always thought the Sirius Bull line was too supple to be considered a good cordage for a work position line, but whatever they are using in this, is a totally different animal.

Great work on this. When I looked at it, it seemed different than anything else I felt or seen before. So it is kinda like Sirius but kinda not.

 

[Brocky]

How many strands, and if you pull some of the core out, can you easily milk the cover back over it? If the strands won’t go back in, it might be a dynamic, or semi dynamic line, maybe for European requirements.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I just looked at the Wesspur site and they don't offer Sirius rope with either a spliced or sewn eye. So it will be interesting to see if anybody can splice it. Maybe a Marlowbraid splice?

3 quick fyi's..
1- Just overall, i wouldn't use wesspur as a resource as to whether something can be hand spliced or not. I've seen bad info there on numerous occasions. In fact I'm looking at a rope right now that was "not splicable" so i paid for stitching instead & it has only caused headache as it does not retreive through common hardware.

2- The Sirius rigging line you are referencing is totally spliceable.. teufelberger actually uses it as the example in their very specific double braid splicing instructions.

3- The Sirius were talking about isn't the same construction as the one your referencing.

Great work on this. When I looked at it, it seemed different than anything else I felt or seen before. So it is kinda like Sirius but kinda not.

Technically.. yes. Sirius is a common name within T-berg, Fse Robline & possibly NER as well.. It's like the Globe Cordages everyone is always chasing on the TM saddle.. there a ton of different versions revolving around some similar characteristic.

How many strands, and if you pull some of the core out, can you easily milk the cover back over it? If the strands won’t go back in, it might be a dynamic, or semi dynamic line, maybe for European requirements.

I'm not sure Brock.. I've always been under the impression that the sirius lable meant it was a 32 strand... But to be honest i get awwwwlllllllll fucked up trying to dechiper the common language/spec with what teufelberger or other companies actually posts.. I think there's some common disconnect there where I'll count 32 individual stands on something yet it's labled as a 16 strand or plait. I never know when or why they are counting individual countable strands or if there just counting the bunch of 4 or 2 as 1. I've been trying to get to the bottom of that one for a while.. also Plait vs Strand.. for some reason i believe there is some common difference, just unknown to me & probably basic 101 i was never taught.. Lol.. Chyeah, "taught".. more like "never found in researching." I think if i knew what the actual weaving patterns were called, how they are used & for what purposes, I'd have a better understanding. I feel like that's the missing link in my mind.

When i first got it, in order to confirm the mystery, i milked it back some.. all came out & went back in as normal.. i didn't go more than a few inches though as i didn't want to disrupt what i was about to sew.. I've never handled a true dynamic cordage so i couldn't tell you if familiar.. It definatley gets taught when loaded, which to me, highlighted the reasoning behind them using this variation as a lanyard.. here's an up close i took earlier to post over on the hand sewn thread.

(Side note to you Brock.. I'm looking for 1in Yalon or NovaBraid's Novagold at a decent price.. Your kinda a rope hound with this stuff so i figured I'd throw it out there & see if you had any leads..)

 

[Santiago Casanova]

3 quick fyi's..
1- Just overall, i wouldn't use wesspur as a resource as to whether something can be hand spliced or not. I've seen bad info there on numerous occasions. In fact I'm looking at a rope right now that was "not splicable" so i paid for stitching instead & it has only caused headache as it does not retreive through common hardware.

2- The Sirius rigging line you are referencing is totally spliceable.. teufelberger actually uses it as the example in their very specific double braid splicing instructions.

3- The Sirius were talking about isn't the same construction as the one your referencing.




Technically.. yes. Sirius is a common name within T-berg, Fse Robline & possibly NER as well.. It's like the Globe Cordages everyone is always chasing on the TM saddle.. there a ton of different versions revolving around some similar characteristic.




I'm not sure Brock.. I've always been under the impression that the sirius lable meant it was a 32 strand... But to be honest i get awwwwlllllllll fucked up trying to dechiper the common language/spec with what teufelberger or other companies actually posts.. I think there's some common disconnect there where I'll count 32 individual stands on something yet it's labled as a 16 strand or plait. I never know when or why they are counting individual countable strands or if there just counting the bunch of 4 or 2 as 1. I've been trying to get to the bottom of that one for a while.. also Plait vs Strand.. for some reason i believe there is some common difference, just unknown to me & probably basic 101 i was never taught.. Lol.. Chyeah, "taught".. more like "never found in researching." I think if i knew what the actual weaving patterns were called, how they are used & for what purposes, I'd have a better understanding. I feel like that's the missing link in my mind.

When i first got it, in order to confirm the mystery, i milked it back some.. all came out & went back in as normal.. i didn't go more than a few inches though as i didn't want to disrupt what i was about to sew.. I've never handled a true dynamic cordage so i couldn't tell you if familiar.. It definatley gets taught when loaded, which to me, highlighted the reasoning behind them using this variation as a lanyard.. here's an up close i took earlier to post over on the hand sewn thread.

(Side note to you Brock.. I'm looking for 1in Yalon or NovaBraid's Novagold at a decent price.. Your kinda a rope hound with this stuff so i figured I'd throw it out there & see if you had any leads..)

I had my eye on that rope. What diameter is it?

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I had my eye on that rope. What diameter is it?

Supposedly 12.7.. but it feels larger & measures around 13.. just like most other cordage own hi vee, t vee all bigger than 12 or 12.7 or whatever they're advertised at.. especially when they list real specific like 11.7 12.7 etc.. they're all over the place when u get a micrometer on em. Make me think they message under load or something.

Hey.. do you sell on eBay? I swear I've seen your cat selling cordages on there!

 

[RyTheTreeGuy]

Picked up a petzl basic on tree bay and wanted to make up a knee ascender. Forgot to order some hollow braid with my last order so was forced to use what I had....I'm glad I did

 

[ARLO]

I finally have some test results for one of my Marlow Vega splices. It broke at 4,912 lbs, which is pretty strong, but only 59% of the rated strength of the rope (8,272 lbs). Note that it broke in the end of the eye as opposed to in the splice. I am not sure if that is because of the tight bend at that point or because the core and cover were not pulled equally tight when I buried them. I would definitely climb on this splice, but it is disappointing to see such a large reduction in rated strength.

 

[Brocky]

That is surprising, the eye should be two times the strength of the line. You’re right, there must have been an imbalance between the cover and core. At least you know the splice is stronger than 4,912 lbs.

 

[ARLO]

WIth this splice you bury the core and cover separately and there is no way to tell for sure if you have the core and cover pulled equally tight when you finish the splice. So, I suspect the problem is with the way I did the splice. I would like to see a few more of them broken, but I am not going to be the one who does it. Too much work!

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Picked up a petzl basic on tree bay and wanted to make up a knee ascender. Forgot to order some hollow braid with my last order so was forced to use what I had....I'm glad I didView attachment 57856

Pretty cool Ry! Latley I've been contemplating a nylon 3 strand for a certain application that needs super elongation. I need a 1"+ 100% nylon db & all the marine vendors seem to want $4 + per foot for an uncoated 100% Nylon Double braid.. The three strand almost seems to be my best option as it have almost double the stretch out of everything. I just will have to go a few sizes larger for the strength im looking for...

Side note - if anyone knows of any good deals on 1" - 1-1/4" 100% nylon db with available elongation charts, please let me know.

 

[RyTheTreeGuy]

Pretty cool Ry! Latley I've been contemplating a nylon 3 strand for a certain application that needs super elongation. I need a 1"+ 100% nylon db & all the marine vendors seem to want $4 + per foot for an uncoated 100% Nylon Double braid.. The three strand almost seems to be my best option as it have almost double the stretch out of everything. I just will have to go a few sizes larger for the strength im looking for...

Side note - if anyone knows of any good deals on 1" - 1-1/4" 100% nylon db with available elongation charts, please let me know.

Hey Jimmy,

I am in Canada, but the I have recently stumpled across a store/manufacturer called Maple Leaf Ropes...they have great prices in Canadian dollars which means a 30% better price for all south of the border

https://www.mapleleafropes.com/store/category/nylon-double-braid

 

[Brocky]

@ARLO, the cover and core shouldn’t have to be balanced as this isn’t a double braid rope. Most of the strength is in the core, so maybe something wasn’t right there. Or possibly tested with a too small of diameter connector.

 

[ARLO]

@ARLO, the cover and core shouldn’t have to be balanced as this isn’t a double braid rope. Most of the strength is in the core, so maybe something wasn’t right there. Or possibly tested with a too small of diameter connector.

I just got on line and looked at the test specs for Vega on the Marlow Website. They list the following:
Avg. breaking strength with spliced eye = 25.6 Kn (5,760 lbs) or 70% of rated strength.
Avg. breaking strength with Fig. 8 loop = 18.9 Kn (4,252 lbs) or 51% of rated strength.

So, I guess considering that my splice was a fairly tight eye tested over a small diameter connector, maybe it did not do so bad. Better than a figure 8 loop which I suspect was tested over a fairly large diameter connector.

 

[rustykfd]