SHERRILLtree and TreeStuff.com announce Fallen Families Fund

What is your response..
Here’s my response Thomas; I’m inspired by Tripp and associate’s heart felt effort to support injured professionals, enough so to write a personal check for the cause that I’ll deliver this week. I’ll write second check for 10 times whatever you and Paul care to contribute. Pull your resources! I know you guys care for fellow arborists. Now show them.

I’m looking forward to returning to the Buzz soon for “helpfull and inspirational” interactions among progressive professionals.
 
So now that all the bullshit bickering is over by some of you ( hopefully), can someone explain the plan for making a vetting process to this. Its obviously a good thing but does need to be controlled. I can't imagine a company with a history of offenses and lack safety would get anything. Along with a company doing tree work while operating as something different ( mowing company, fence, hard-scaping). Whats the max payout, who controls the money and transaction? Can I make a suggestion, and one that is not meant to fire shots at anyone..... Sherrill most likely is a poor choice to head this up, well intentioned sure but not the most trusted given the history of business that more then a fair share of arborist have questioned. I would say the ISA but they also have a huge amount of people questioning their intent in the business being more then just making money off the back of people who care about the craft. I admit I am presenting a concern with not the ability to have a answer or solution ( and I hate that)..... but should be thought about. @Tobe_Sherrill @bonner1040
 
So Sherrill and TreeStuff are starting a fund to help the families of injured tree-men and some of you are questioning their motives and methods, slinging insults, and acting like spoiled children. Like they say, "no good deed goes unpunished." I for one want to thank you guys and wish you luck with the Fallen Families Fund!
 
So now that all the bullshit bickering is over by some of you ( hopefully), can someone explain the plan for making a vetting process to this. Its obviously a good thing but does need to be controlled. I can't imagine a company with a history of offenses and lack safety would get anything. Along with a company doing tree work while operating as something different ( mowing company, fence, hard-scaping). Whats the max payout, who controls the money and transaction? Can I make a suggestion, and one that is not meant to fire shots at anyone..... Sherrill most likely is a poor choice to head this up, well intentioned sure but not the most trusted given the history of business that more then a fair share of arborist have questioned. I would say the ISA but they also have a huge amount of people questioning their intent in the business being more then just making money off the back of people who care about the craft. I admit I am presenting a concern with not the ability to have a answer or solution ( and I hate that)..... but should be thought about. @Tobe_Sherrill @bonner1040
I appreciate the constructiveness here.
I don't agree that it is obviously a good thing(which was elaborated on already), but I'm happy to see the thread bounce back from ropeshield D-bo-ing the soapbox to rail against sherrill yet again, and the standard damage control response.
 
So now that all the bullshit bickering is over by some of you ( hopefully), can someone explain the plan for making a vetting process to this. Its obviously a good thing but does need to be controlled. I can't imagine a company with a history of offenses and lack safety would get anything. Along with a company doing tree work while operating as something different ( mowing company, fence, hard-scaping). Whats the max payout, who controls the money and transaction? Can I make a suggestion, and one that is not meant to fire shots at anyone..... Sherrill most likely is a poor choice to head this up, well intentioned sure but not the most trusted given the history of business that more then a fair share of arborist have questioned. I would say the ISA but they also have a huge amount of people questioning their intent in the business being more then just making money off the back of people who care about the craft. I admit I am presenting a concern with not the ability to have a answer or solution ( and I hate that)..... but should be thought about. @Tobe_Sherrill @bonner1040

We are working on a full fledged charter, private operating foundation status and a public grant application.

More details to come.

If you are in need please email fallenfamilies@sherrillinc.com




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So Sherrill and TreeStuff are starting a fund to help the families of injured tree-men and some of you are questioning their motives and methods, slinging insults, and acting like spoiled children. Like they say, "no good deed goes unpunished." I for one want to thank you guys and wish you luck with the Fallen Families Fund!

Questioning methods is in no way derogatory. I am not a participant in anyone's personal safe space; rather I would like to see some intelligent conversation on this topic started. I had questions. I raised valid points. I am not touting any superiority or acting on any grudges. I don't feel that I attacked anyone except for the most unproductively angry member of this forum.
I doubt any one of us can make any major change in the world, but this forum is home to a good number of the most influential and competent tree persons in the world.
People only donate so much. The obvious charities that aren't moving things forward effectively squander those resources, not because of poor intentions but because of poor choice of direction.
The desire to do something at cost with no method of profiting on Sherrilltreestuff's part shows the most important ingredient of positive change is present: A willingness to do something for the greater good.
 
I'll throw my $0.02 worth from the standpoint of coming back from an accident. I fortunately survived and have go back to work. It took me a week shy of a year, cost my family at least $40,000 in lost wages and earnings, cost the company then a small fortune in lost productivity and increased WC insurance and that continues today. I'm still losing days to the doctors' appts I have to attend during work hours, the pain that continues to plague me and the uncertainty of what it will mean for the future.

I advocate for safe work practices here, on the various FB groups dedicated to our craft and in person when I see dangerous practices. TCIA under Peter Gerstenberger's direction is working on safety, ASTI offers training grants for anyone interested in providing safety related training. We have done an Aerial Rescue session in our area and will be planning more. There is a significant amount of money going into safe work practices between the aforementioned and through the development of the Z133 standards. Whether you agree with every aspect of them or not, its a work in progress that is better than letting OSHA alone define the regulations. There is change happening though not fast enough. Many of the fatalities and injuries still occur within companies that have implemented extensive safety programs, once again many dollars applied in that effort. If you look at Dr. John Ball's stats these accidents are individual decisions to ignore these practices. That is going to take much effort and time to effect the change.

With that being said, we come to Fallen Families. I am of the feeling that it's intent is to serve a niche for these families where there is a shortfall. I'm sure nobody out there is thinking that they can continue working unsafely now that there's a fund to help the family they may leave behind. If you bother to read some of the posts on the FB groups you'll see many are determined to do as they please regardless of the ramifications for those that rely on them.

It can be leveraged into something bigger over time and expanded to cover more aspects of the dynamics of safety and how it relates to those connected to the industry through family members. I for one, applaud the effort. If you don't like who started it then step up and do something. I presume this will be set up as a 501 (c)(3) non-profit which will have a specific mission that serves a public interest. To be effective as such on organization it can't be all things to all people.

For those of you who feel strongly about changing the dangerous practices in our field then step up, volunteer, apply for a training grant, organize a safety working group with your local companies and whatever else you can come up with.
 
"It can be leveraged into something bigger over time and expanded to cover more aspects of the dynamics of safety and how it relates to those connected to the industry through family members."

I think it is going to be harder to change directions once it is established, but you still seem to understand that simply trying to accomplish the stated goal is noble but ultimately not a solution.

I'm not much of a businessman, but I understand that it probably will be a 501 (c)(3) non-profit. I also understand that that doesn't mean that nobody gets paid. If they really do accept all administrative expenses associated with the fund, then there will be a really sizeable cost to sherrilltreestuff to make this happen and keep it going.

It could be made less expensive by an accompanying program that really helps teach safe practices, just because of how much money comes from quality arborists. They are more gear-oriented, they buy fancy PPE, they make more money than the jack-legs, and would continue to even in the absence of jack-legs.

I've been clean for two years. I will not be back on facebook. It's terrible for the soul.

I would like to do some of those things, but I am not an organizer by trade. I am the sort of person that can run one crew, and gets done what we are there to get done. I am willing to spend some of my time and energy and a small portion of my money to make my industry better, but I have little interest in devoting my life to build an ant pile of progress in a world of rolling hills. We are talking about a large company spending the kind of money and manpower that hills are made of.
If I won a big lottery, my state would be a shining bastion of top quality tree work because I could afford the manpower to actually figure out how we can make a positive change, to enact it, and have the resources to follow through until every new hire is taught the proper way to do things and why right from the beginning.
That is if I had hundreds of millions of dollars. That's a lot of cash, and a relatively small area.

I'm trying to be reasonable about my expectations here. And I feel that you should be reasonable about how much you expect me to do in the face of the same insurmountable obstacle that everyone who would like to see a change faces.
That's kind of my central premise... I can't just make it better by myself, but I can jump in and help something larger than myself that is actually trying to make it better to an extent that is well beyond the point of some personal sacrifice, but nowhere near the point of absolute personal sacrifice. If we just had that thing that was actually doing it, and it needed just a little from each of us, I think just about everyone would throw in what time, energy, and money that they could spare. I want a cause. Give me one that I can take seriously for more than a moment. This isn't a cause, it is just a charity.
 
Yes, it is a charity but one that at least for the near future has a valid purpose. As the president of the board of trustees of a 501 (c)(3) organization I can attest to the paid staff and the challenges of operating with a narrow focus dictated by the stated aims of the organization. Sherrill is going to manage that side of it so that donations go directly to the families. It may be limited in scope but I'd rather see someone step up to address this instead of the hodgepodge of go fund me pages that sometimes get set up to help the families left to deal with the loss of their breadwinner.

It may be the right time for all the major players; the industry associations, employers, suppliers, regulators, to come together to really pursue all facets of safety in the workplace and to study the real costs of an incident. From that we can develop better programs to address the various needs. In the meantime, I'm personally see some progress that is long overdue.
 
Can't hurt. Were going to try to hit them up to suport an arbo major at Columbus State. Start the safety talk in school in addition to the tree science side of things.

In any event, this will take folks from all over getting together to support a program like this. Not only monetarily but also the safety aspect to avoid more unfortunate fatalities in the future.
 
I have a set similar to that Alejandro. I just had my assessment by the doctors for the insurer and my lawyer, my guy was really impressed with the orthopedic surgeons work on my ankle.
Small comfort....
 

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