Sequoia comfort issue
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guymayor
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I had trouble with this saddle so i read the directions on how to have the straps when putting it on and that made it better. then yesterday the waistband kept sliding down so i had to stop and tighten that up.
putting it on the same way each time seems to cut down on these kinds of problems but i'm still getting the hang of this saddle too.
putting it on the same way each time seems to cut down on these kinds of problems but i'm still getting the hang of this saddle too.
rfwoodvt
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- This side of eternity.
Guy!
What is this? You have left the traditional saddle behind and gone to the Petzl Dark-side?
Well, welcome to the Petzl family!
I know what you both mean regarding the pinching and setup. You are right on the money Guy in that you need to put it on the same way each time.
The legs have been an issue for me with any saddle. By and large I've come to leave them high and a bit loose. Keeping them just tight enough to prevent shifting and making sure the bungee strap in the back is snug enough to keep them from sliding down.
I think the trik is to find a location on your leg, then snug it up.
Also bridge adjustment changes COG and affects how the leg straps support and bite.
Guy, looks like the boy and I will be heading to FL right after the first of the year and would love the opp to come and climb with you for a day on our way down or back. Thots?!
What is this? You have left the traditional saddle behind and gone to the Petzl Dark-side?
Well, welcome to the Petzl family!
I know what you both mean regarding the pinching and setup. You are right on the money Guy in that you need to put it on the same way each time.
The legs have been an issue for me with any saddle. By and large I've come to leave them high and a bit loose. Keeping them just tight enough to prevent shifting and making sure the bungee strap in the back is snug enough to keep them from sliding down.
I think the trik is to find a location on your leg, then snug it up.
Also bridge adjustment changes COG and affects how the leg straps support and bite.
Guy, looks like the boy and I will be heading to FL right after the first of the year and would love the opp to come and climb with you for a day on our way down or back. Thots?!
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- Haddonfield, nj
I had a similar issue and had a very hard time fixing it so I sold it off. I've run into this issue with my tree magic as well but not as bad. I went high and tight and it works okay.
Still, nothing beats the comfort of my treemotion. No pinching, no problem.
Have you thought about going to a bosin seat? I've contemplated the idea for a while now seeing that I've only ever used one on my old school weaver.
Still, nothing beats the comfort of my treemotion. No pinching, no problem.
Have you thought about going to a bosin seat? I've contemplated the idea for a while now seeing that I've only ever used one on my old school weaver.
- Location
- NJ
Just snug enough to be able to wiggle up the leg, able to slip 2 fingers between leg and strap.
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lower the bridge until i felt like i was going to fall over back wards then bring it back up a little at a time until your comfortable
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nail on head.
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lower the bridge until i felt like i was going to fall over back wards then bring it back up a little at a time until your comfortable
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nail on head.
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Leg straps themselves are the problem. And I don't mean the leg straps on the Sequoia. I mean LEG STRAPS.
I share the same issues as you're experiencing. On my very first saddle ever, something I got from a pawn shop before I knew crap about crap, it was a bare bones saddle, but I was a bare bones climber. The leg straps, though, were killin me. I assumed it was the saddle. I let it go based on discomfort on each of my inner thighs, and various parts in between, if ya know what I mean.
Next saddle, Buckingham Classic Master Saddle. Definite upgrade, same problems. And no floating bridge. the leg straps were seeming to get worse with upgrades in saddle, but looking back, I was becoming a better climber and finding new, funky positions. There was nadoidal pain and that fixed front-center attachment position seemed and felt limiting.
Next I went to a Buckingham Versatile; floating bridge <u>and</u> a bosun seat. At that point everything changed. This is like 8 years ago. I modded this saddle to how I wanted it and it is what I'm climbing in at the present time. For the last two years I've been looking for something better.
Last season I got to use an Ergovation for 60 days. I wanted to love this saddle. I pushed that saddle hard and y'know what it did for me? It pinched my balls REGULARLY. A frickin-noying. This happens in all leg strap saddle, even the Ergo, even the Treemotion. The world's best and most expensive and highly developed Arborist saddles and they are plagued with this leg strap getting pulled up into the groin every time you do anything lateral.
Any guesses as to how many commercially available BOSUN SEAT saddled with a floating bridge? How many does the world have to offer us?
I share the same issues as you're experiencing. On my very first saddle ever, something I got from a pawn shop before I knew crap about crap, it was a bare bones saddle, but I was a bare bones climber. The leg straps, though, were killin me. I assumed it was the saddle. I let it go based on discomfort on each of my inner thighs, and various parts in between, if ya know what I mean.
Next saddle, Buckingham Classic Master Saddle. Definite upgrade, same problems. And no floating bridge. the leg straps were seeming to get worse with upgrades in saddle, but looking back, I was becoming a better climber and finding new, funky positions. There was nadoidal pain and that fixed front-center attachment position seemed and felt limiting.
Next I went to a Buckingham Versatile; floating bridge <u>and</u> a bosun seat. At that point everything changed. This is like 8 years ago. I modded this saddle to how I wanted it and it is what I'm climbing in at the present time. For the last two years I've been looking for something better.
Last season I got to use an Ergovation for 60 days. I wanted to love this saddle. I pushed that saddle hard and y'know what it did for me? It pinched my balls REGULARLY. A frickin-noying. This happens in all leg strap saddle, even the Ergo, even the Treemotion. The world's best and most expensive and highly developed Arborist saddles and they are plagued with this leg strap getting pulled up into the groin every time you do anything lateral.
Any guesses as to how many commercially available BOSUN SEAT saddled with a floating bridge? How many does the world have to offer us?
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
Re: Leg strap vs bosun comfort
Compare the Petzl SWING bosun seat in this picture below with the one above.
See how the one above has 'thigh wings" I haven't ever seen this done.
And the bosun is adjustable widthwise. Another first.
Petzl is making a very good attempt at a world-class bosun saddle.
Since there is no competition in this class except the Versatile and it's even better Australian counterpart, the bar is set rather low and it should easily become the very best bosun-style saddle to be had anywhere.
Compare the Petzl SWING bosun seat in this picture below with the one above.
See how the one above has 'thigh wings" I haven't ever seen this done.
And the bosun is adjustable widthwise. Another first.
Petzl is making a very good attempt at a world-class bosun saddle.
Since there is no competition in this class except the Versatile and it's even better Australian counterpart, the bar is set rather low and it should easily become the very best bosun-style saddle to be had anywhere.
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It pinched my balls REGULARLY. A frickin-noying. This happens in all leg strap saddle, even the Ergo, even the Treemotion. The world's best and most expensive and highly developed Arborist saddles and they are plagued with this leg strap getting pulled up into the groin every time you do anything lateral...
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Ah, it's great to not have balls...
It pinched my balls REGULARLY. A frickin-noying. This happens in all leg strap saddle, even the Ergo, even the Treemotion. The world's best and most expensive and highly developed Arborist saddles and they are plagued with this leg strap getting pulled up into the groin every time you do anything lateral...
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Ah, it's great to not have balls...
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- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Hi TM!
There is also the Tree Austria III, with an optional seat.
The Komet Dragonfly is the seated version of the Butterfly.
The Weaver Cougar now has a seat available.
And the Ergovation now also has a seat option too.
Then of course, Buckinghams Versatile, Pinnacle & Traverse models.
Can't wait for the Swing though....
Trev
There is also the Tree Austria III, with an optional seat.
The Komet Dragonfly is the seated version of the Butterfly.
The Weaver Cougar now has a seat available.
And the Ergovation now also has a seat option too.
Then of course, Buckinghams Versatile, Pinnacle & Traverse models.
Can't wait for the Swing though....
Trev
I have tried adjusting the rings to the outermost loops. This did solve the riding up pain a little but kept tipping my upper body back too much. I didn't enjoy the climb at all.
I was after a harness with a SRT and bridge attachments and the sequoia is great for this but the leg straps make me want to sell it. Any thing I could try before I sell???
I was after a harness with a SRT and bridge attachments and the sequoia is great for this but the leg straps make me want to sell it. Any thing I could try before I sell???
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- Chattanooga
I had the same problem, inside thigh getting pinched by the leg strap, on my Cougar when I first got it. I discovered that the elastic straps at the back of the leg straps connected to the belt so wide that it caused the leg straps to rotate so that the padding rolled to the outside of the leg, leaving no padding on the inside thigh.
Sooo, after I put my Cougar on, I adjust the leg straps and move the elastic straps more toward the center. That makes a huge difference. However, while climbing, because of the wide attachment points of the elastic straps on the belt, the leg straps gradually move to the outside. As soon as I feel any discomfort, I lift a leg, adjust the leg strap, then the other leg, and go on. A bit annoying to have to do that, but no big deal.
Sooo, after I put my Cougar on, I adjust the leg straps and move the elastic straps more toward the center. That makes a huge difference. However, while climbing, because of the wide attachment points of the elastic straps on the belt, the leg straps gradually move to the outside. As soon as I feel any discomfort, I lift a leg, adjust the leg strap, then the other leg, and go on. A bit annoying to have to do that, but no big deal.
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I have tried adjusting the rings to the outermost loops. This did solve the riding up pain a little but kept tipping my upper body back too much. I didn't enjoy the climb at all.
I was after a harness with a SRT and bridge attachments and the sequoia is great for this but the leg straps make me want to sell it. Any thing I could try before I sell???
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When you adjust the rings to the outer most setting on this saddle, you are relieving the support of the waist belt and applying MORE to the leg straps. That is why you found yourself falling backwards.
Try all ring positions. I have mine set on the very closest to the saddle. This actually required getting a longer bridge.
Your leg straps should be snug but not tight. It is a fine line. But fortunately you have an adjuster that will allow you to do this. They should be tight enough to prevent unwanted body parts from getting underneath, yet loose enough to reposition themselves during movement.
It can take quite some time to dial in a saddle and even with that, what works great for me and what I find incredibly comfortable, can still be misery for someone else with a different body type or climbing habits.
Finally, one grouchy-old-man comment: there is a fine line between comfort and workability. The saddle needs to allow you to work safely and efficiently but this will not prevent you from being tired and sore at the end of the day.
Dave
I have tried adjusting the rings to the outermost loops. This did solve the riding up pain a little but kept tipping my upper body back too much. I didn't enjoy the climb at all.
I was after a harness with a SRT and bridge attachments and the sequoia is great for this but the leg straps make me want to sell it. Any thing I could try before I sell???
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When you adjust the rings to the outer most setting on this saddle, you are relieving the support of the waist belt and applying MORE to the leg straps. That is why you found yourself falling backwards.
Try all ring positions. I have mine set on the very closest to the saddle. This actually required getting a longer bridge.
Your leg straps should be snug but not tight. It is a fine line. But fortunately you have an adjuster that will allow you to do this. They should be tight enough to prevent unwanted body parts from getting underneath, yet loose enough to reposition themselves during movement.
It can take quite some time to dial in a saddle and even with that, what works great for me and what I find incredibly comfortable, can still be misery for someone else with a different body type or climbing habits.
Finally, one grouchy-old-man comment: there is a fine line between comfort and workability. The saddle needs to allow you to work safely and efficiently but this will not prevent you from being tired and sore at the end of the day.
Dave
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- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
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Hi TM!
There is also the Tree Austria III, with an optional seat.
The Komet Dragonfly is the seated version of the Butterfly.
The Weaver Cougar now has a seat available.
And the Ergovation now also has a seat option too.
Then of course, Buckinghams Versatile, Pinnacle & Traverse models.
Can't wait for the Swing though....
Trev
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Hi Trev. I'm not talking about OPTIONAL seats. If that were the case, you could buy a Petzl Podium and turn any saddle on the planet into a bosun seat saddle. Or fashion a 1x4, for that matter.
But it doesn't work that way.
The leg straps, to effectively not pinch, squeeze or compress needs to be integrated into the seat itself. The seat needs to be integrated into the bridge in a manner that it's basically a big loop with a flat run that is the underside of the seat.
If you're doing a hard, right-side horizontal maneuver, and you have a floating bridge (not a fixed center) the point above your left hip is the suspension point, the seat is oriented vertically and your right hip is cradled in the strap coming from back to front. The leg straps are holding the seat in place, the forces are on the lowest part of the saddle (right hip). Any leg strap forces are from your weight shifting right (that is, downward, since you are horizontal) rather than the leg straps being pulled upward in the direction of the rope, and compressing the legs.
Butt boards are great for prolonged suspension on rope, as they are often touted, but the bosun-to-bridge continuous construction does a lot to allow the same style of movement as leg strap saddles, only without the stresses on the thighs coming from the pulling tension of the leg straps. The forces are generally from below, under your butt, which spares your upper thighs and hence the legstraps are therefore not being pulled upward into the nether regions when you sit back on a tensioned rope, or when you go from sit-back to vertical-upright, as in footlocking.
I hope this helps a bit in understanding the differences.
Hi TM!
There is also the Tree Austria III, with an optional seat.
The Komet Dragonfly is the seated version of the Butterfly.
The Weaver Cougar now has a seat available.
And the Ergovation now also has a seat option too.
Then of course, Buckinghams Versatile, Pinnacle & Traverse models.
Can't wait for the Swing though....
Trev
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Hi Trev. I'm not talking about OPTIONAL seats. If that were the case, you could buy a Petzl Podium and turn any saddle on the planet into a bosun seat saddle. Or fashion a 1x4, for that matter.
But it doesn't work that way.
The leg straps, to effectively not pinch, squeeze or compress needs to be integrated into the seat itself. The seat needs to be integrated into the bridge in a manner that it's basically a big loop with a flat run that is the underside of the seat.
If you're doing a hard, right-side horizontal maneuver, and you have a floating bridge (not a fixed center) the point above your left hip is the suspension point, the seat is oriented vertically and your right hip is cradled in the strap coming from back to front. The leg straps are holding the seat in place, the forces are on the lowest part of the saddle (right hip). Any leg strap forces are from your weight shifting right (that is, downward, since you are horizontal) rather than the leg straps being pulled upward in the direction of the rope, and compressing the legs.
Butt boards are great for prolonged suspension on rope, as they are often touted, but the bosun-to-bridge continuous construction does a lot to allow the same style of movement as leg strap saddles, only without the stresses on the thighs coming from the pulling tension of the leg straps. The forces are generally from below, under your butt, which spares your upper thighs and hence the legstraps are therefore not being pulled upward into the nether regions when you sit back on a tensioned rope, or when you go from sit-back to vertical-upright, as in footlocking.
I hope this helps a bit in understanding the differences.
did anyone mention that the way you climb and how that effects the comfort.too much sitting/thrusting rather than working the tree is slower,less efficent and more work. however if your girl stopped taking the pill,you cant trust the saddle to do the job......i know....
I was reading all of your posts and it seems that anything I do I have the same problem as all you guys. The saddle bites my inner thigh. I have the rings at the highest setting trying to get more weight on the belt. Adjusting helped a bit, but still does the same thing. I think bridge length is not an issue here as well. Has anyone figured any thing out yet, or just grin and bear it? Funny thing is that I also have a navaho variobelt w/ just the opposite problem... can't get enough weight on the leg straps. the thing beats my hips up when working off my line. The sequoia swing looks nice but I'm wondering about ease of movement when moving/ positioning. Any thoughts would be appriciated.
Gerald_Beranek
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There's no saddles anywhere that I know of that are comfortable after 6 or 7 hours of rigorous climbing. The choice is the "Least uncomfortable"
What are you going to be doing? Hanging on a vertical line all day? Hard side angle work positioning? No one saddle can fulfill both needs.
I know a lot of you guys hate it when I say this, but "Back in the good old days we didn't have choices. We made our own climbing saddles." And every climber back then claimed that their saddle was the most comfortable saddle a person could ever climb and work in.
The funny thing about that was if you did wear anybody else's saddle it killed you after just a couple of hours of climbing in it. And the reason why is because a persons body becomes hardened to the wear points of the saddle they use all the time, and anything different is going to wear on them different and be sore and uncomfortable.
So get use to it you marshmallows.
That was supposed to be a funny.
What are you going to be doing? Hanging on a vertical line all day? Hard side angle work positioning? No one saddle can fulfill both needs.
I know a lot of you guys hate it when I say this, but "Back in the good old days we didn't have choices. We made our own climbing saddles." And every climber back then claimed that their saddle was the most comfortable saddle a person could ever climb and work in.
The funny thing about that was if you did wear anybody else's saddle it killed you after just a couple of hours of climbing in it. And the reason why is because a persons body becomes hardened to the wear points of the saddle they use all the time, and anything different is going to wear on them different and be sore and uncomfortable.
So get use to it you marshmallows.
That was supposed to be a funny.
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