- Location
- Longmont, CO
Nice descriptions with the photo illustrations Taylor. I'm kinda thinking the night shots with a flash are the way to do it.
Secret Weapon???
- Thread starter richhoffman
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Am I to understandthat using this whole process you are working with 3 lines hanging (the 2 of the ascent line and the falling end of you climbing line)?
If this is the case wouldn't the weight of all this get to be a PIA???
If this is the case wouldn't the weight of all this get to be a PIA???
- Location
- Hawaii
I think this is a similar technique the person who won the 2008 ITCC used this year in St. Louis.
jp
jp
- Location
- Bloomington, Indiana
Good photos and description TL.
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Also, when you tie the prusik in the first place, the big ring leg (in this case Revolver) must always stay on top of the small ring leg.
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Actually the knot is a Valdotain, not a Prusik. The term 'Prusik' is, as here, often used to refer to almost any 'friction hitch'. I'm sure TL knows this, but I wanted to point it out because it can be confusing.
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Also, when you tie the prusik in the first place, the big ring leg (in this case Revolver) must always stay on top of the small ring leg.
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Actually the knot is a Valdotain, not a Prusik. The term 'Prusik' is, as here, often used to refer to almost any 'friction hitch'. I'm sure TL knows this, but I wanted to point it out because it can be confusing.
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
Nice catch Mark. Shame on me!
- Location
- Asheville,NC
hammer tested.......nice
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
That's "Hamel" not "hammer"!
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
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I think this is a similar technique the person who won the 2008 ITCC used this year in St. Louis.
jp
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Beddes footlocked into position trailing his climbing line with him. Alpine butterfly in each leg of access line and clip a Locksafe Revolver in each. Install climbing line through Revolvers, disconnect and stow FL prusik. Personally, after that I would sit back and enjoy a beer. Oh well, guess you have to work sometimes.
I think this is a similar technique the person who won the 2008 ITCC used this year in St. Louis.
jp
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Beddes footlocked into position trailing his climbing line with him. Alpine butterfly in each leg of access line and clip a Locksafe Revolver in each. Install climbing line through Revolvers, disconnect and stow FL prusik. Personally, after that I would sit back and enjoy a beer. Oh well, guess you have to work sometimes.
- Location
- Milwaukee
What do you think of just tying a big slip knot below the "weapon"? I do it all the time. I usually send up an alpine butterfly to keep my doubled line close together. Then I footlock into position, tie a slip knot with a about a foot or two of loop, work, descend, pull climb line, pull slip knot, and the butterfly pulls down the "weapon". Too uncontrolled for the comp, I understand. Just wondering what you think...
KentuckySawyer
Participating member
- Location
- Louisville
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What do you think of just tying a big slip knot below the "weapon"? I do it all the time. I usually send up an alpine butterfly to keep my doubled line close together. Then I footlock into position, tie a slip knot with a about a foot or two of loop, work, descend, pull climb line, pull slip knot, and the butterfly pulls down the "weapon". Too uncontrolled for the comp, I understand. Just wondering what you think...
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As I understand, a series of slip knots under the Secret weapon is okay at comps. I do this at work sometimes. It backs up the Secret weapon (which isn't slipping anyways) and is still retrievable from the ground.
For the right application, its better than the technique TLHammel showed. Like if you're making a few stops to cut on your way up. If you're going to one place to start working, TL's technique is great. I like tying a slip knot instead of a butterfly. And I don't have any locking Revolvers...
What do you think of just tying a big slip knot below the "weapon"? I do it all the time. I usually send up an alpine butterfly to keep my doubled line close together. Then I footlock into position, tie a slip knot with a about a foot or two of loop, work, descend, pull climb line, pull slip knot, and the butterfly pulls down the "weapon". Too uncontrolled for the comp, I understand. Just wondering what you think...
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As I understand, a series of slip knots under the Secret weapon is okay at comps. I do this at work sometimes. It backs up the Secret weapon (which isn't slipping anyways) and is still retrievable from the ground.
For the right application, its better than the technique TLHammel showed. Like if you're making a few stops to cut on your way up. If you're going to one place to start working, TL's technique is great. I like tying a slip knot instead of a butterfly. And I don't have any locking Revolvers...
What type of cordage is suitable or recommended for the sw? We've got some prussik cord laying around the shop that is rated high enough. It's the 9mm blue&white samson prussik cord. I was thinking of trying that.
KentuckySawyer
Participating member
- Location
- Louisville
These are both production worthy techniques.
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
Yes, like KS says, production worthy. I most often use the Frog Walker for ascention, so the SRT setup I use is different. I rarely footlock so the Secret Weapon in its pure form is not something I use. What I find most useful to me is (at the start of the job) setting a second access line in an area of the tree where a redirect or retie is needed. When I get to this portion of the climb, I tie the Alpine butterflies with Revolvers in 'em, abandon my primary tie in, and finish the tree using the second TIP.
- Location
- Grand Marais, MN
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Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
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Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
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Throwline is your friend.
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Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
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Throwline is your friend.
- Location
- Bloomington, Indiana
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Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
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Throwline is your friend.
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Throwline.
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Yay! Hopefully the crotch is big enough to let the empty butterfly pass through.
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Don't you just hate it when it doesn't?
One reason I carry every old section of pole I've ever bought...sometimes wrestling with six sections and the blade on top is easier than having to rig the tree all over again at the end o' the day to get something back that's so easily hung-up but a major embarrassment after a job well executed.
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Throwline is your friend.
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Throwline.
treebing
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Detroit, Mi.
yeah, until you get that stuck up there too!
Stumpsprouts
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Asheville
Resurrecting this trying to understand this technique. I’ve heard it referred to in passing, and of many mentions on the buzz this one actually describes the technique.
Is this production worthy still? I think I understand the concept but I’m failing to understand what benefit this would have over having a high TIP and intelligently routing your climb.
Also seeing how the SCAM system functions similarly with less gear, so maybe some folks have switched to that?
Anyone here use this technique on the regular?
Is this production worthy still? I think I understand the concept but I’m failing to understand what benefit this would have over having a high TIP and intelligently routing your climb.
Also seeing how the SCAM system functions similarly with less gear, so maybe some folks have switched to that?
Anyone here use this technique on the regular?
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