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Do you consider yourself to be a professional Hollen?

What criteria or standards are expected? Some are pretty low...getting paid to do the work makes a person a professional by some standards, ask the IRS.

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You can be fairly certain you're a pro when the city, power company and phone company call you at 2:00am in the morning when an emergency situation involving trees occurs.

It indicates a successful track record, and trust in you as an arborist that can do consistently, even in adverse conditions.

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Thats what I asked you ?? I was wondering if in your mind only papered are pros.

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I am not sold on that part, but he did show up.

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Way to keep an open mind Mark. Unlike the other that want to just throw him under the bus.

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So who was it that threw a Saw for hire T-shirt on the ground, and stamped on it in front of old Nosak?

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LMAO!!! stomp on my shirt he'd been going home with a few less teeth. I asked what in his or others eyes is a professional and you give the the definition of a profession, duh.

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Also, weren't you offering to lend someone a CA Study Guide last week? What are you doing with that book LOL

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Just cause I aint certed, and buy into the whole snake oil sham of CEU's. Does not, by no means, mean that I don't educate myself.
 
"Just cause I aint certed, and buy into the whole snake oil sham of CEU's. Does not, by no means, mean that I don't educate myself."

I smell a rat, Holly. There are many ways to educate yo bad self without buying the ISA study guide. I need a better explanation as to why that text is in your casa. Did you want to take the exam at some point? Remember, honesty is the best policy, bro!

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At one point, when I was with savatree, I planed on taking the test. Then it was shown that the cert means very little to one who only works for a company. Lets see, just about any conpany out there will give you as a worker a $1.00 raise. Yet, if I'm a salesman/woman we talking $20,000.00 a year raise. Pretty big differance. Now with my $1,000.00 per year I have to pay for my own ceu's just like the salesperson that makes 20 times what I do seems lame.

Now after I do some homework and find they only allow pepole with 2 year degrees become salespepole, even more lame, cause it doesn't matter what your degree is in. Could be milking cows for all they care. They just want to be able to say that their salepepole went to college.

Now, after all this you'll find there is a code of ethic any CA takes. Do more homework you'll find very few ever stand by the code. Makes it hard to belive in and throw money at. They really make the curcius complete with all the other certs, climber, groundperson {real joke here}, bucket person, and TCSP toot toot the train is full. If I get the TCSP do I need to get the others ones too?

I try to keep an open mind and may someday yet go take the test. But, for the most part if I work for a company I wont par take in the certing less I'll see a raise of a salesperson, after all it's the climb who takes the biggest risk, does the work, and most time biulds the company rep while the office pepole get paid the most.
 
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What criteria or standards are expected? Some are pretty low...getting paid to do the work makes a person a professional by some standards, ask the IRS.

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Hollen...your final answer is???

A professional is one who follows their profession's course and expectations, read the definition for one idea.

There are many arborists who have passed the CA and other tests that really don't get a direct financial benefit. The CA test is the accepted minimum knowledge expectation of this industry/profession. Shouldn't every consumer expect that their service providers have shown that they can pass the minimum accepted test? I thought so when I decided to take the CA test.
 
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A professional is one who follows their profession's course and expectations, read the definition for one idea.

There are many arborists who have passed the CA and other tests that really don't get a direct financial benefit. The CA test is the accepted minimum knowledge expectation of this industry/profession. Shouldn't every consumer expect that their service providers have shown that they can pass the minimum accepted test? I thought so when I decided to take the CA test.

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Very well said. I couldn't agree more.
 
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I try to keep an open mind and may someday yet go take the test. But, for the most part if I work for a company I wont par take in the certing less I'll see a raise of a salesperson, after all it's the climb who takes the biggest risk, does the work, and most time biulds the company rep while the office pepole get paid the most.

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Yep, selling is the easy part.


Holly, I thought your problem with the certifications was different than your unease about the difference in pay scale between office/administrative work and the physical labor of doing the actual tree work.


You should try selling. You're a very convincing person.



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H, it sounds like your beef is more with your employer than with certification. But, to clarify,

"you'll find there is a code of ethic any CA takes."

Not that I know of; there is a brief ethics code for ISA members, and an ethics booklet for BCMA, but no CA ethics code.

" Do more homework you'll find very few ever stand by the code."

What code?

" Makes it hard to belive in"

What is your disbelief based on? Anything?

"and throw money at."

Are you making so little that you can't invest a couple hundred bucks? Talk to your boss.

Good post, Tom
 
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I am not sold on that part, but he did show up.

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Way to keep an open mind Mark. Unlike the other that want to just throw him under the bus.

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WTFrog Ed?! Wouldn't your statement of saying Mark has a closed mind... be closed minded about Mark?

Besides, I think you are inferring a lot to and twisting a lot lately, simply to back a point.

I think your cynicism is going too far brother.
 
I'll agree to disagree on this topic as it seems to always lead to me getting a weeks vacation.

I'll say you have your opion on certs and I'll have my opion.

I'll never in my life try to force someone into the so called holy grail of certs. Till the day comes when they actually make one show that they know what they are doing rather then just a paper test that anyone with half a brain can pass.

Go on take your cheap shot say I can't pass it cause I's just a dumb red neck.


And Tom yes I do belive I'm a professional climber. Thats all. I do not belive there is a such thing as a pro arborist, there is just too much to know to lay claim to that. I'm not even sure all could be learned in 1 life time. I like to say practicing arborist, professional climber. Not sure a cert is needed to give info to people, as you show them a cert and say it has leaf scorch, I'll come back with a printed out page give them the info to show I know just as much.

Jamin huh? I was say to Mark way to have an open mind. That's all. I know Mark alittle he tries to find the good in anyone, I was tring to comend him on that. ???
 
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Spoken like a true salesperson.

I'll work a commission base any day of the week. Point the company that'll pay up to 20% of total job. I'll be there to climb next day. If it's bid right I'll take 600 a day beats the hell out of that 20-25 per hour most only want to pay. While a guy with a polo shirt on is screaming can't you get it done any faster.
 
well hell if going out all hours of the night for these different companys make you a pro i guess im a seasoned pro
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I worked for straight commision for about 8yrs as a full time climber before i struck out on my own 9 years ago. company still pays commision to this day, hourly on utility stuff. started out at 13% end at between 25 and 30% certainly wouldnt want to do any cleanup following me though. Didnt breed alot of co operation as every one else got paid the same way. Putting on the ground and screachn tires to the next address. Even got a pickup all to myself! Did I mention most of it was usualy alone. GREAT DOUGH THOUGH! Those polo shirts love u when your a closer though. Up here they only get paid on completed jobs.
 
allot of people have their opinion on this subject here is mine. You can be the best salesman in the world or be certified up the wahzoo, but if your not a good climber or have a good climber you arent getting paid. my wife can sell tree jobs. Now with that said this may sound adolescent but just cause you can talk the talk doesn’t mean you can walk the walk. anybody can talk a tree down while they are standing safe on the ground. its the climber whose a$$ is up there risking all that he has and will ever have. i believe if you can do your job and deal with the customers and do a real upstanding job and not be a butcher your a professional if not your on your way keep your head up and remember onward and upward.ive seen so called certs with there handful of pencils and nice shiny briefcase that didn’t know the first thing about doing tree work just bs your way through. Let me say this put a climber or any tree guy on the job and you will know if he knows what he’s doing pretty quick you can only bs so long .
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I had a chance to meet the guy behind the controversy:
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He said that TLC will be airing the last two shows, but he wasn't sure when.

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I see this pic as a ying/yang of the tree biz.

On one hand you have Mark who is big on safety and industry promotion, climbing champ, and by all accounts a good guy.

On the other you have Nosack who does not appear to have any clue of arborist safety or standards, is waaaaay outta shape, and comes across as a screaming maniac.
 
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