Safety and liability

Would you care to list any of these amorphous "irrefutable facts" BB?

Or are they only to be found in your all knowing crystal ball of dubious origin?

jomoco
 
Mather's invention hasnt been field tested and proven to be durable enough for our industry.

His invention uses braceltes which themsleves present snagging hazards.

Not one man has been chipped, whether concious or not, while following safety rules se forth by the manufacturers and feeding from the side.

Care to refute any of those facts?

Or would you care to keep the slandering going?
 
Can you please answer these three questions?



When have I directly stated, as you have pointed out multiple times, that I wish my fellow workers shall die a horrible death of being fed through a chipper?



Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
What I object to is your current refusal to recognize that all the rules and policies you support and advocate are failing to stop the death toll escalation we are currently witness to as an industry. That your effective policy beliefs correspond almost exactly with those of the manufacturers only illustrates your beliefs are woefully insufficient to reduce the escalating death toll in a truly significant manner.

Failure is not a god excuse, rule or policy to reduce deathrates in this industry BB.

We can do much better, and something needs to change, sooner better than later.

jomoco
 
Why are chipper makers held resposible for some using their machine in a fashion in which it wasnt designed for?





Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
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Why are chipper makers held resposible for some using their machine in a fashion in which it wasnt designed for?





Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?

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Because they legally sell their machines to private people and companies that get killed using them when safety systems capable of preventing those deaths were known and available to them a decade ago.

Ask Mathers, you have the same access to his website and phone numbers that I do.

I am a firsthand witness to three such occurrences where had it not been for a second operator's fast reactions the official deathtoll would be higher by three operators known to me personally.

Jomoco
 
You are stating that if the makers of chippers used your invention, or Mather's inventions the death rates would be zero!? That is quite the claim!

You are his cheerleader not me. All this declaring Mather's invention as the be all end all to our situation, and you don't know the filed testing results! Oh man your a real one of a kind!

So those 3 men were operating within the chipper manufacturers recommendations, WHEN POSSIBLE CHIP WITH ANOTHER PERSON PRESENT. Doesn't sound like they were not following rules. And not one of these three men were breaking any of the other recommendations? Standing BEHIND the infeed chute and to the side they were? Find that hard to believe, I haven't seen any man doing this come close to being hit, never mind knocked out!
 
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You are stating that if the makers of chippers used your invention, or Mather's inventions the death rates would be zero!? That is quite the claim!

You are his cheerleader not me. All this declaring Mather's invention as the be all end all to our situation, and you don't know the filed testing results! Oh man your a real one of a kind!

So those 3 men were operating within the chipper manufacturers recommendations, WHEN POSSIBLE CHIP WITH ANOTHER PERSON PRESENT. Doesn't sound like they were not following rules. And not one of these three men were breaking any of the other recommendations? Standing BEHIND the infeed chute and to the side they were? Find that hard to believe, I haven't seen any man doing this come close to being hit, never mind knocked out!

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Substantially reduce would be a more honest translation BB.

Yes, I think Mather's safety system is an excellent means of reducing deathrates of whole tree chipper operators in our industry BB, that too is self evident in both threads.

That doesn't make them deserving of a barbaric death if it can be prevented by human or mechanical detection means BB.

There's a vast swath of our industry outside your personal and professional experience BB, that too is self evident.

jomoco
 
But mathers design has yet to be field tested in over 12 years of existence.....why?


Would this invention SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE or PREVENT deaths? Drastically different things you are saying in your statements.

There are plenty of things I havent seen, good and bad. i am not putting myslef out there as some man of the world, expert witness, inventor, chipper safety expert.
 
You just need better english comprehension training BB.

Then you'd be able to distinguish references to second operators preventing death, from references to RFID systems reducing deaths substantially.

They are two entirely different ways of reducing/preventing incapacitated/stupid chipper operator deaths.

One is good, but both are even better BB.

Then it might be wise not to argue the corporate viewpoint's position against someone who has a modest aquaintance with all those experiences.

jomoco
 
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It's about all they got going for them Blinky, that and some over rated papers.

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you didnt call me fat, useless, or a premadonna pseudo climber. I am offended! You getting soft you old !?
 
I do I luv ya anyone that'll blash BB is a freind of mine
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I just find it a mute point to bicker over. Guns don't kill people do. Chippers don't kill idjits do. One thing the military does is teach you how to handle and respect your weapon, so that it never hurts something not intended to be hurt. Owners need to do the same schooling about chippers, only thing to go in the chipper is a thing to be chipped.
 
But show us your big overflowing compassion for your fellow mercenary, and admit that trigger locks on your combat weapon should be a mandatory requirement to save a few of the more fumble fingered fellow mercenaries that might be standing near you on the job.

Admit that there's far more than just love at play here Holly, that self preservation is part of the mix bubbling up in yu too.

jomoco
 
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...and admit that trigger locks on your combat weapon should be a mandatory requirement to save a few of the more fumble fingered fellow mercenaries that might be standing near you on the job.

jomoco

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Negative, put mercenaries with fumbly fingers on point... they gotta go!
 
Trigger locks on guns are a big negative in your view Blinky?

"What's that bandage on your big toe for marshall Blinky?"

jomoco
 
Nope, fumbly fingers are the big negative. Some people should simply not handle weapons or tools with metal going around really fast.

No way I'd put a lock on a COMBAT weapon. The only way to make it more useless is to unload it. Everyone in this house is well schooled with firearms my man, I started'em when they were four.

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We like to shoot stuff. Note her professional form, both eyes open, sights raised to eye level. She can put steel on target with the best of'em.

With all that said, every gun I own lives in a safe. We have no home defense weapons, don't need'em.

Photo disclaimer:
That's not a real service rifle. She would be wearing PPE if it were. It's an airsoft rifle.

This all gets back to MY particular point about chippers. Training beats tech EVERY time, no exceptions. People have to be trained. That's where to put your investment, not in some tech company's bank account.
 
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This all gets back to MY particular point about chippers. Training beats tech EVERY time, no exceptions. People have to be trained. That's where to put your investment, not in some tech company's bank account.

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