Safety and liability

What confuses me is why you and Tom would spurn the recommendations that OSHA, NIOSH/FACE and I support to reduce the number of WTC fatalities?

You guys act as if these WTC deaths occurring during single man WTC operation is a mere coincidence.

Am I correct that neither of you support two man minimums to reduce WTC fatalities on the job?

jomoco
 
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What confuses me is why you and Tom would spurn the recommendations that OSHA, NIOSH/FACE and I support to reduce the number of WTC fatalities?

You guys act as if these WTC deaths occurring during single man WTC operation is a mere coincidence.

Am I correct that neither of you support two man minimums to reduce WTC fatalities on the job?

jomoco

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Did yopu read my post, its there just baove your last one. We have MINIMUM 2-3 guys chipping at all times! Sometimes 4! Utility crews are the exception, and they run 2 man crews.

I support what saves lives. The current research PROVES that proper training saves lives!

Europe is far more stringent than USA, do they require these in all chippers?

Nothing has changed, you go away for a few days and come back thinking people have forgotten about your antics......

Answer the questions JoJo!
 
I wonder...how many fatalities are there from WTC and how many from, what are the others called???

Jomoke,

Answer any question, pick one...

Then, before you twist things around in your head, understand that training and following manufacturers rules will ALWAYS be the #1 way to reduce any injury or death. Start reading stupid warning labels on any consumer product. Using an iron in the bath tub would seem like something that wouldn't have to be talked about...but, someone was killed because the instructions didn't say NOT to do it!?!? that makes good sense I'm sure that you'll agree.

The 'Numero Uno' OSHA advice is TRAINING no matter what you choose to fixate on. Two person, not man, chipping crews are further down the line.
 
Gee guys, it seems like we're all very close to consensus here on this important subject.

So I'll post this 08 OSHA recommendation one more time for your perusal, and hope we all can agree that anything we can all do as an industry to reduce these WTC injuries and deaths are well worth our efforts to do so.

http://www.osha.gov/dts/shib/shib041608.html

Thanks for your spirited help guys...girls...uh...folks?

jomoco
 
From the linked 08 OSHA recommendations guys.

Work practices - Proper work practices are essential for safe operation of chippers. Employers should reinforce proper work practices on a regular basis, such as during "toolbox talks".

The following are recommended safe chipper work practices to reduce "caught-in" and "struck-by" hazards:

1: Designate one or more employees as a safety watch to be stationed near emergency shut-off devices while other employees feed material into the chipper.

2: Stand to the side of the infeed chute when feeding material into the chipper. This reduces the "caught-in" hazard and allows quick access to emergency stop devices.

3: Keep hands and feet out of the immediate infeed chute area while the chipper is running.

4: Push material into feed rollers with a wooden tool or a long branch.

5: Feed branches into the chipper butt-end first.

6: Place shorter branches on top of longer branches being fed into the chipper.

7: Place small debris into trash cans instead of feeding it into the chipper.

8: Never stand, sit or climb onto any part of the chipper while it is running.

9: Shut down the chipper and remove the ignition key when it is unattended.

10: Before starting a chipper, ensure that the chipper's disc hood is completely closed and latched, and that there are no foreign objects in the infeed area.

11:Ensure that the discharge chute is positioned to prevent chips from hitting employees.

12: Do not stand in front of the feed table when the chipper is running.

13: Check material to be fed to ensure that it is free of metal and other foreign objects.

14: Use proper locking pins to immobilize the disc cutting wheel when attempting to clear a clogged chipper chute or changing chipper blades.

jomoco
 
From the linked 08 OSHA recommendations.

Emergency Pull Ropes – Emergency pull ropes or cables are another emergency shut-off device installed by some manufacturers. Pulling the ropes immediately reverses the action of the feed rollers. The two ropes are located on both sides of the throat of the infeed chute for quick access. However, if the ropes become entangled in branches, they may be difficult to locate and pull in an emergency. These ropes can be retrofitted onto existing machines.

See attachment above.

jomoco
 

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do you find it at all odd that they put training above work practices in order of importance? I don't! propey trained employees, with a culture of safety goes a lot further than untrained employees with safe work practices. safe work practices will fall into line once you instill a safety culture.

also notice one of the last sentence in your post about your ropes.....it almost completely discredits their use. Take note of the review of the vermeer safety devices.


and JoJo, please answer the questions that have been posed to you, instead of bashing manufacturers, and going on like a mad man!
 
You guys act as if I'm not a firm believer in proper WTC operation training, when I am a devout believer in just that.

But I take a far more objective stance on the best means of reducing the number of WTC fatalities we are currently experiencing in the field.

I applaud Vermeer's new feed tray bump bar simply because to get any true production out of their chippers equipped with it requires a second man leaning on the over-ride while the chipper's being fed. This reduces the chance of a injury/fatality significantly because it requires two operators to get optimum production from their chippers equipped with it, while also reducing the likelihood of a single operator being injured or killed feeding the chipper alone, unlike their older models without the bump bar.

I am unaware of any documented WTC fatalities on units equipped with either feed tray bump bars or emergency infeed hopper pull ropes, and feel that it's an excellent example of manufacturers being proactive about making their chippers safer for treeworkers to operate in our industry.

The problems we are experiencing all seem to stem from the older WTC's still being used in the field without these modern safety enhancements. And OSHA has been very clear that Morey's emergency pull ropes can be retrofitted onto these older WTC's.

So my question still remains as to why any of you would not support following OSHA's recommendations on this matter to reduce WTC injuries/fatalities of your fellow treeworkers on the job?

jomoco
 
Vermeers design requires you to stand to the SIDE of the chipper, one man or two, and hit the green bar. That bottom bump bar stops the feed, it doesnt reverse it!

Answer the questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Tom D and I have asked plenty of questions to you, very direct questions, you refuse to answer them. Shows a lot about you my west coast............

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Duhhhh, Troll!
 
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Tom D and I have asked plenty of questions to you, very direct questions, you refuse to answer them. Shows a lot about you my west coast............

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Duhhhh, Troll!

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have to agree with Blinky here, mate. Youre a troll. It is sad and quite obvious to all the members here!. We all have entertained you long enough.
 
I often wonder if you realize just how silly your signature line makes you out to be my friend?

The quote you falsely attribute to Obama was actually made by Earl Warren of United States Supreme Court fame circa 50's and 60's. You not only falsely attribute the quote, you take it out of context to Warren's use of it at the time he spoke it.

You never seem to tire of embarrassing yourself on many levels of intellect BB.

But I think it's kinda cute, and very appropo coming from you my friend.

jomoco
 
Jomoke,

I will accpet this personal attack on the chin! I cant verify the source of where this quote came from. I did copy and pate it from somewhere, where though!?



Your personal attacks dont change the fact that you are a troll though, and doesnt make you look any better. Maybe we can all have a real conversation at TCI this year, I know youre not this much of a Dbag in real life!
 
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Jomoke,

I will accpet this personal attack on the chin! I cant verify the source of where this quote came from. I did copy and pate it from somewhere, where though!?


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Does this mean that the Constitution is not a charter of negative liberties?




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