Roundup and soil

Why the weeding? I think you said you had mulch rings; if not, by now you know you should. A properly applied mulch ring will most times stop, and at the very least strongly inhibit, weed activity. If you have some aggressive perennial weed/grasses it may require a layer of cardboard/newspaper prior to the application of mulch.

One of the beauties of a mulch ring, is the lower maintenance. It shouldn't be driving you nuts.

Dave
 
There are a myriad of reasons to avoid using pesticides (herbicides are pesticides). You just need to do what you are comfortable with.
My reasons for not using roundup are moral differences with the chemical companies and oh yeah CANCER.

I enjoy the quite time of hand pulling weeds and mulching my beds.

But everyone should make their own decisions based on their own research and what they can live with.

http://www.dontspraycalifornia.org/roundup-cats.html

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/
 
Thanks for the leads on some research done already. More than anything else, I'm reluctant to suggest to anyone that they use chemical controls when I avoid them at my own place. Seems just about every safe chemical in the past has since been banned or at least implicated in something unforseen and undesirable. Something to be said for the sweat of the brow from yanking weeds by hand.

I was listening to an old Woody Guthrie tune the other night, he was singing looking forward to the days when we'll all have "atomic bedrooms, everything made out of plastic, and the country under the rule of e-lec-tricity." Somehow it seems to explain quite a bit of our problems day to day working in urban forestry.

Ryan.
 
Like many of the new meds advertised on prime time, ag-use chems (most all the same companies that bring us the pharmaceuticals) are introduced by hype and hard-fought laws protecting us have been watered-down by conservative politics. Registration and review policies are controlled now by manufacturing reps in who's interests these chemicals find little or no oversight to either quality or toxicity. Buyer beware.

I get a laugh out of the Round-up commercials that promise freedom and leasure for the applicator, considered smarter than his hard-working cheapskate neighbors, or the miracle once-a-month anti-arthritis pill that lets you run in the park with your devoted and loving golden retreiver (but quickly slurs in unintelligle whispered warnings that it causes Lymphoma cancers in some of it's users). There is no longer a federal oversight agency that tests for the quality of each med imported from China, only verification that the label matches the componants and rely instead on the companies' claims to effectiveness. And most of our meds are now produced there.

Round-up is simple glyphosphate, we're paying differening prices that compensate for the label and legal rights, period. It enters the plant and the claims are it breaks-down and literally becomes a beneficial food sources for ruminants. Why then has Monsanto had to redevelop the formula eighteen times in the last ten years? There are court records and medical files that we'll never be allowed to see, per agreements on settlements. That does not mean it's not toxic to us, as claims for label use are that ?No Scientific Literature is AVAILABLE that implicates the cause/effect from exposures to disease, human." Hmm.

We can break a leg and get a pill that will make our day - but would we go and climb with a broken leg? We can, as we won't know it's broke. That's the story, it makes for good profits. Many times in legal actions, it's asked that we prove it's bad but never in jurisprudence has a corporation been ordered to prove it's safe, as it should be in a democracy instead of a dictatorship.
 
someone told me that glycophosphate is darn near drinkable, its the surfacants and other chemicals that they use to adhere to the leaves that is not biodegradable and toxic to life.

after seeing rounduped areas, I can not imagine that there is any benefit to life whatsoever. things are made into a desert. obviously its bad for microbial life. all things do recover, but it seems there is hardly ever a reason to applicate it. keep your money out of those peoples hands.
 
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Thick applications of fresh wood chip mulch can ferment (compost) in place. If you're really unlucky, the thermogenic phase of the fermentation can cause a pretty rapid rise in temperature. That's a big reason to not use fresh chips. Also, as has been mentioned, composted chips can have the communities of microbes doing there thing which would reduce the potential of adverse C:N ratios. The mortality described at the start of this thread does not sound like N deficiency, but could it be cooked tree?

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Makes sense to me. I think this has happened to a friends tree which fresh chips were added every few weeks.
 
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