Ropewalking questions

Scratch

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I got my rope walking setup a couple days ago. It's already WAY easier and faster than the RADS setup I was using. It consists of a Hitch Hiker 2, SAKA mini, CT foot ascender, and a simple chest harness made from some tubular webbing, but I have some concerns...
How high should my HH2 be? When ascending, I have the spine of the HH2 pretty much in the middle between my belly button and my nipples. And when descending, my eyes are right underneath the HH2 spine. Should I change my height or is that ok?

A question on the SAKA mini... To get more length in the shock cord, I run the bungee cord up to my chest harness then loop it through a carabiner, then back down and clip it back into the foot loop biner. When I get to the top, I just remove my climbing line from my foot ascender and the knee ascender, then lower myself down. It seems to work great but I always see climbers completely remove the SAKA and stow it on their saddle somewhere. It doesn't seem to be necessary to remove and stow it though, I leave the SAKA connected to my chest harness and my foot loop, and just lower away. Am I missing something and I should be stowing it? Maybe it's a professional arborist thing to keep it out of the way and not necessary for rec climbing?

One thing I don't like about the SAKA mini though, or at least running it doubled like I am, is that the bungee cord coming back down, keeps falling into the body of the ascender whenever the climbing line isn't in it and the catch is open. So if I ascend, then remove the rope from the SAKA, but for whatever reason I have to put it back in again to ascend again, I have to flip out the bungee cord from the SAKA ascender before I can put in my climbing line since it snuck it's way in there. I'm thinking about running something like a rubber hose or some loops on the back of the SAKA ascender to keep it where I want it. Is there another solution or maybe I shouldn't run it doubled over like I do?

I'm also not I love with the steel locking carabiner that comes with the HH2. I don't like the "push up" then twist part of it like the DMM's are. I like the "pull down" then twist like the Rock Exotica biners. Just a personal preference thing, but I think I'll find a steel locker that I can pull down instead. I think I should use an oval shape biner for it rather than a D shape (I could be wrong) but it looks like RE doesn't sell their Rock O in steel, anyone have any other suggestions?

While I'm talking about the HH2, it seems to be pretty hard to lower myself on it. I see videos of people lowering themselves using just two fingers but I seem to need to break it loose almost with two hands, and sometimes I get a quick sharp drop (just a couple inches) then it seems to be easier to lower. I'm using the standard friction hitch that HH suggests but I've tried a few others like the Distel, VT, etc, but I like the other one best.
 
I’m getting a hh2 next week. I’ll let you know how it works!! I wouldn’t switch out the carabiner, it’s the correct part of the system to work properly.
 
... I'm also not I love with the steel locking carabiner that comes with the HH2. I don't like the "push up" then twist part of it like the DMM's are. I like the "pull down" then twist like the Rock Exotica biners...

About this, the CT steel carabiner has been the most accommodating with the HH that I have tried. If you have the nose of the carabiner, down, opening towards the bridge ring, it will be a pull and twist to open. I am right handed and normally set the opening to the right and use my left hand to take it on and off the ring. Very easy.

The HH set at lower chest height is about right. If you get it working with your chest harness, it helps in keeping you upright, taking some of the strain off your arms. If it is hard to release you most likely have too many wraps. It will work the best with the least amount of wraps that will still hold you.

I have not used the mini Saka but have heard that it uses super good bungee, so a single length should work better than a doubled over length. It needs just enough to lift it. Having too much force on the bungee will not make it better.
 
About this, the CT steel carabiner has been the most accommodating with the HH that I have tried. If you have the nose of the carabiner, down, opening towards the bridge ring, it will be a pull and twist to open. I am right handed and normally set the opening to the right and use my left hand to take it on and off the ring. Very easy.

The HH set at lower chest height is about right. If you get it working with your chest harness, it helps in keeping you upright, taking some of the strain off your arms. If it is hard to release you most likely have too many wraps. It will work the best with the least amount of wraps that will still hold you.

I have not used the mini Saka but have heard that it uses super good bungee, so a single length should work better than a doubled over length. It needs just enough to lift it. Having too much force on the bungee will not make it better.
Maybe I just need to get used to the HH2's locking carabiners the way it is. I'm sure I'll get used to it, I'm just already used to my other lockers. Not a big deal.
 
When I use the HH hitch I use 4 wraps (155-160 lbs).
I have had the best luck attaching the Mini Saka to my left wrist. Super long sweet spot and smooth as butter.
To your wrist huh...? Hadn't thought of that. I think I watched a video with Richard doing that, but I guess it didn't click. Thanks for the reminder, I'll give that a shot too.
 
Hey Scratch, the way you’re running the double bungee system, it’s possible the section of bungee that runs from the upper carabiner to the foot ascender isn’t working efficiently. With the small bend radius of the carabiner, they might be acting independent of each other, rather than as a single piece. A small pulley on the carabiner, or attach that second section back to the knee ascender, might make it work better.
 
Hey Scratch, the way you’re running the double bungee system, it’s possible the section of bungee that runs from the upper carabiner to the foot ascender isn’t working efficiently. With the small bend radius of the carabiner, they might be acting independent of each other, rather than as a single piece. A small pulley on the carabiner, or attach that second section back to the knee ascender, might make it work better.
Thanks Brocky, It "seems" to be working fine doubled over like that... but what do I know. I got the idea of running it that way from a video by FreeFallin. But tonight I was messing around with some of the other ways mentioned in this thread, and I think I found my favorite method. Over the shoulder, attached to the back center of my saddle. It seems to work very nice this way, has even more stretch than doubled over, isn't so tightly stretched and uncomfortable, and I can still leave it attached at both ends for walking around.

I've even gotten smoother with descending on the HH.
Here's a short video of me playing around in my 22' high living room tonight:
 
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A lot of good suggestions, I'll add that at 260lbs I also use a 4 wrap with 9.3 arbpro hitch cord on vortex. Experiment with different hitch, rope, and wrap configurations to get the HH2 smooth. It can be maddening, but is a great tool once dialed in.
 
I'm also not I love with the steel locking carabiner that comes with the HH2. I don't like the "push up" then twist part of it like the DMM's are. I like the "pull down" then twist like the Rock Exotica biners.
I have some of both styles...it is just getting used to doing it the right way with the right biner. In fact, off the top of my head without the carabiner in my hand I couldn't tell you which goes which way (up or down) off the top of my head (I use one of each on my system - one is an RE, the other is a button lock Petzl), but when I grab it, my hand knows which way it goes. I'm pretty sure RE makes some of both...
 
So many options with the super stretch and adjustable length of the SAKAmini. Fun to watch how creative everyone is in finding THEIR best option.

Yes, thanks for making the bungee long enough to try many different ways. You could have made it long enough just to reach a chest harness and saved some money, but it's nice that there's plenty of length!
 
A lot of good suggestions, I'll add that at 260lbs I also use a 4 wrap with 9.3 arbpro hitch cord on vortex. Experiment with different hitch, rope, and wrap configurations to get the HH2 smooth. It can be maddening, but is a great tool once dialed in.
Thanks, after reading BobBob and Rico's post above, I went down from 5 wraps to 4 wraps with 9mm RIT (190 lbs) and it seems to run much smoother. I'm also getting the hang of the carabiner and find it no longer an issue.

I gotta get outside... my wife has been watching me go up and down all night playing with my new gear, and she just doesn't get it...
 
I'm 208 (about 225 climbing weight) and climb on a HH2. I tie my 9mm RIT in a 5 wrap HH hitch. I literally tie the hitch as tight as I can with no slack, I even bend the rope over the spine to get the rest of the slack out, then I jump on the rope 3 or 4 times letting my entire weight hit the end of the rope to set my hitch. It's smooth after that.

I use a DIY SAKA made from tubular webbing and run my single length of CI bungee inside the webbing. I tend the HH2 with my bridge ring and clip both my chest harness and SAKA bungee to the bridge ring too.
 
I'm 208 (about 225 climbing weight) and climb on a HH2. I tie my 9mm RIT in a 5 wrap HH hitch. I literally tie the hitch as tight as I can with no slack, I even bend the rope over the spine to get the rest of the slack out, then I jump on the rope 3 or 4 times letting my entire weight hit the end of the rope to set my hitch. It's smooth after that.

I use a DIY SAKA made from tubular webbing and run my single length of CI bungee inside the webbing. I tend the HH2 with my bridge ring and clip both my chest harness and SAKA bungee to the bridge ring too.
What is ci bungee? And do u have any pics of your saka?
 

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