Rope Wrench Ruminations

Well? it has been 3 months or so of climbing on the Singing Tree Rope Wrench so I feel I've learned enough to talk a bit about it's pros and cons.

First off, it is a complete switch in climbing mentality, this is the single biggest hurdle that climbers coming from DdRT to SRT have to deal with.

You must pre-plan your climb, how you will attack a certain tree with regards to the work to be done.

It is very much like chess in a tree, you can't make a move without forethought of what the outcome will be. When I climbed DRT, I would hump up into the tree physically, then do the work as I went.

with SRT the ability to weave your rope under, over and around limbs, crotches etc. gives a 3rd dimension to 2D climbing.

Whereas in the past, I would get out on a limb come hell or highwater, and sometimes this was a safety concern, especially when it came time to come back in.
Now, if I plan accordingly there is no reason why i need to come back in from a scary position unless I want to. I can simply drop down thru a redirect under the limb and continue to work with uninterrupted, consistent friction.

I find that my friction hitch actually behaves better and functions better with the wrench. I think this is because it never changes in feel from one situation to the next.
It is a smoother action due to the fact that the RW takes a good amount of the stress off the hitch, making them last longer as well.


You need to try to get your hitch as compact as you can though to make it effective at grabbing right away.

One major disadvantage to the wrench vs. DRT is the ability to move in short bursts while in the canopy.

There is still nothing as simple as pulling the running end of your line and pulling slack as you go for quick body-thrusting moves.

You will quickly become fast-friends with your Pantin whilst working SRT ;) I also added the DMM thimble to my tether as a quick clip-spot for the over the shoulder lanyard when ascending or moving anyhting over 10 feet in the tree.

I did find out though, that with the lanyard clipped over the shoulder and enough rope thru under you, that hand over handing will self-tail the rope slick as snot !
Now it is a bit more physical doing it like this, but you move up the rope twice as fast as with DRT.

That though, is the ONLY slight disadvantage when making the switch, but the more I climb SRT, the less I notice it, it is all a matter of retraining the muscle memory portion of the brain/body.

On removals, I simply tie a cinching running bowline with a long tail thru the loop, while I'm working down the spar, I just pull it down as I go, easy peasy, just as easy as choking the spar DRT.

I find myself climbing the tree a lot more with the RW, which for climbing ease and confidence, is not a bad thing, the rope is there to position us and keep us aloft, but there is no reason we can't climb the tree too.

If there is to be a lot of up and down in a tree, then a revolver clipped in an A-butterfly at your TIP with the tail clipped in, makes a super MA for pulling yourself back up very easily, I do this sometimes and it works well. You can leave it in there too when you are done, descend and pull it all out easily.

there are cautionary measures and as some of you know, early in my testing of the RW, I took a fall of about 30 feet to the ground on my back. It was a combination of my cocky attitude and complacency. My hitch was tied too long and loose, it was not tended tight enough so it was waist level and my pantin pooped out. all of this combined to create a semi-controlled free-fall to terra firma.

Lesson learned and Kevin put a great little safety vid on youtube about keeping it safe. It was in NO PART due to the RW, just my dumbass-self.


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http://www.youtube.com/user/treebing49



all in all, I give it a 10+ out of 10 for making climbing more economical ( both physically and fiscally), for making it more fun, and for opening more avenues for learning and in the end, making $$$.

SRT and DdRT both have places in our work, and it is good to be able to combine the 2 with the RW.

I for one, can't WAIT to try the ZK-2.0 out
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Hope this helps out some people who are on the fence to jump off and give it a run, it is pissing rain up here today, so a good day to write.

Oh yeah before I forget,the single biggest drawback for me? I'm a gearhead who now has loads of gear collecting dust
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First, I would like to say that I am about 15 minutes away from climbing on my wrench, and I am greatly looking forward to it.

I may be opening myself up to being bashed here, but I'll go ahead and offer this anyway...Be careful of tender cambium in the spring time, or when cambium is highly conductive. The climbing line can still move as it is weighted and unweighted, and as the tree can be reacting to loading, unloading, and other external forces. Damage can result. Perhaps threading in tubular friction savers can help to a point, provided one doesn't need too many in line.

As we all know, much of DRT technology came out of attempts to reduce or eliminate damage to cambium.

I am NOT advocating one method over the other, just trying to offer something for consideration.

Beyond this, I must simply say that Kevin has offered something truly incredible with the introduction of the rope wrench.

Thank you, Kevin!
 
I thought about that too, it would depend on the tree specie and age.

I have been in trees that I have used the RW on with base-ties and observed very slight to no wear on the TIPs, even after climbing them on numerous occasions.
I try whenever possible to go over multiple crotches while base tying.

obviously a limb-cinch tie off would have practically zero impact.

good point though man.
 
I second the notion of cambium damage with a base tied system. More damage can result with a base tied anchor system to a crotch than with a doubled rope running through the same union. We believe this is because twice the amount of weight is being applied at the time, combined with a "saw" like action of putting your weight on and off the rope. I've talked with and heard from many climbers that this is what they notice also.

But like Cary said, it depends on the species and age of the tree, what union your TIP is in, etc.
 
I don't know if it would be more Adrian, but yeah there is some, I have seen the damage a DRT rope does when I use it bare-crotch on removals.... it can be pretty bad, never seen anything close to that SRT, even with a base-tie.

I think spreading the TIP out takes care of that pretty well, yes?

Man it is pouring rain here, but +8c...weird for December up here, but I'll take it instead of wet snow :)
 
What a great endorsement/analysis of SRT!

The future [of climbing] is now!

My WR is on the way. I'm stoked about using the tool to see how it compares to the Uni.

TIP wear is a possibility. I haven't seen any damage in all of my years of climbing SRT. There has been some rubbing/polishing of the bark but I've never seen any damage.

Pictures of real cambium damage would be nice.

If there is a potential for this amount of rope movement it is super simple to use a tube type rope saver. Either leather or Dan House has configured a nice one using flexible conduit.

Of course, who goes back up to check out their TIP? ;)

Would this setup that I configured for RADS work as a floating redi with the WR?

SRT: The future of tree climbing!
 

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If I were to set this up now I would use the Eddy in place of the I'd.
 

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I've seen this in conifers where a high ground anchored TIP with load focused on a single thin-barked limb, the load/unload ascent cycle caused the rope to saw into the cambium. It's not much of a problem to install a conduit or leather sleeve to protect the cambium in these situations.

On thicker barked hardwoods or on any mature limbs on conifers or otherwise you're just going to see the polishing Tom mentioned.
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It is like seeing your baby grow up eh Tom?

I have trees that I rec-climb and test gear on in my yard, I'll take pics of the TIPS I use; they exhibit the same signs you mentioned, polishing/rubbing perhaps, but no cambium damage/scarring.

:) and yeah, the future is NOW baby!
 
Great thread GTC.

I am hoping to make the switch this Christmas, should a jolly fat elf see fit to slip a rope wrench in my stocking.

I'd love to hear more conversation about TIP's/Re-directs and how to re-think those converting from DRT. I realize that a suitable DRT TIP should be plenty stout enough to function in an SRT configuration.

I guess my question is regarding how you go about routing your rope through multiple crotches while considering tension/compression wood and the like in order to prevent weird forces that might cause one of your redirects to fail, causing an uncomfortable drop.

Maybe I'm missing something and this is a non-issue. I just don't like the idea of unexpected drop, no matter how short. My only fall so far working as a production climber was out the back of a golfcart reaching for a low hanger, and that hurt like the dickens, so I'm just trying to keep it real, ya know...
 
Not trying to go off subject..but for someone who hasn't ever work climbed off of SRT..only used ascenders to get where I'm going..would you guys recommend the uni or go for the WR?
 
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When you route your rope through multiple crotches it distributes the load, making failure less likely.

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and yeah, what Jesse says.
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Because of the familiarity that arbos have with hitches I think that the WR...oops, not Wope Rench...will be easier to transition to. It is more like DdRT than the Uni. For me, it's going to take a lot to have the RW take over for the Uni.
 
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Because of the familiarity that arbos have with hitches I think that the WR...oops, not Wope Rench...will be easier to transition to. It is more like DdRT than the Uni. For me, it's going to take a lot to have the RW take over for the Uni.

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we'll see...
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Dang Tom didn't realize I did that..sometimes my mind moves faster than mouth can and in this case it was faster than my hands could type! Ye ole wope rench! Good stuff! Surprised nobody else caught that! You guys should be ashamed! If I was anybody else I would have been slammed for that one!
 

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