Ring vs Carabiner w/ Pulley for Bridge

[islandarb]

I seen a rock exotic start to come apart at the bearings plus the groove wear was insane. Ditched swivels after that. Now with a nexus yiu can change shackles or fly it on the small ring. Saves the swivel. On that note I am not a swivel guy. I know how to manage twists during my climbs and I prune a hell of a lot. In lockdown so had to steal a small climb. Look at the sea. Happy easter from my church.

 

[Jonny]

Ditto that. I’m probably gonna drill the rivet out on a Rook and replace with a bolt and locknut, tightened so the sheave no longer spins. It’s tricky to shift a little bit, and I’m back to a plain old DMM ring for now.
Actually kinda wish I didn’t buy the Rooks, seemed like a good idea at the time and was a killer price but I’d be happier with a California swivel. I’ll probably just use them on a lanyard now.

 

[islandarb]

I want to state this now. I will not buy anything made in China. I have been of this mindset for a long time. Nothing against Chinese folk, more against their manufacturing practices. I always loved Made in the USA or UK philosophy. Call me old fashioned.

 

[Burrapeg]

I've tried pulleys on my bridge but keep coming back to a ring on one bridge and swival on a second bridge.

Me too. It was just too tippy canoe with a pulley on the rope bridge. I flopped over so hard one time that I almost threw up.

 

[Basswood]

appreciate the advice all. Going to move away from the pulley amd go either with a ring or swivel.

 

[ghostice]

A new mantra, stamp out Chinesium in all climbing gear . . . . .

Also I had a Rook type thingy too but I found after my bridge got the usual sap grundge on it, the thing seemed to hold on . . . until it let go and I went sailing when you didn't expect - so back to rings . . .

A pulley was just too slippy for my liking, at least on a shorter length bridge (which probably makes a diference too). Swivel works for me just as well as a ring but I can have two rings where I wouldn't do multiple carabiner clips into the top of the same swivel (stuff jammed up) and multiple swivels are more weight than I'd want.

 

[climbstihl]

A new mantra, stamp out Chinesium in all climbing gear . . . . .

Also I had a Rook type thingy too but I found after my bridge got the usual sap grundge on it, the thing seemed to hold on . . . until it let go and I went sailing when you didn't expect - so back to rings . . .

A pulley was just too slippy for my liking, at least on a shorter length bridge (which probably makes a diference too). Swivel works for me just as well as a ring but I can have two rings where I wouldn't do multiple carabiner clips into the top of the same swivel (stuff jammed up) and multiple swivels are more weight than I'd want.

Plenty of room in a large petzl swivel for two biners, can even still pass a gate through. 3 biners fit, but not well. Cali swivel is great for multiple attachments too.

 

[islandarb]

Working climbers prefer a ring for it's simplicity and bombproof nature. Folks that rec climb a lot seem to love swivels. Thst includes working climbers that rec climb a lot. Swivels do give a nice set of orientation options for climbing with 2 independent systems. Or using a rocker or some such device to never have to leave rope while redirecting.

 

[Basswood]

I do climb both recreational and work. Are swivels known to fail more? I like the simple nature of a ring, but have seen images of those failing too.

 

[Burrapeg]

I bought a Gyro but have not gotten a chance to use it much. I was rather surprised at how small it is. Looks a bit wimpy really, compared to the big biners hooked thru it. But the swivel parts are high strength stainless steel not aluminium, and it does work fine. Very compact design. And of course small is good if a rec climb involves a long hike lugging a heavy backpack full of gear.

 

[rope-a-dope]

I guess I will pipe up being a working climber on a rook/hydra pulley. I got used to the low friction. And the 3 hole swivel is so good at multiple systems because you can switch sides so easy. I can be tied in like a mofo and just duck under lines and spin around.

 

[islandarb]

I do climb both recreational and work. Are swivels known to fail more? I like the simple nature of a ring, but have seen images of those failing too.

Swivels are plenty strong.

 

[moss]

This is the DMM Axis swivel, lanyard and main rope sharing the upper eye, Hook line sharing the lower eye with the bridge. It’s small and versatile. As swingdude mentioned, bridge cordage eventually wears a groove into the swivel eye, goes with the territory.

https://flic.kr/p/2iG4Cx4

-AJ

 

[Njdelaney]

@moss What sort of grab do you have attached to your hook line? That silver and green thingie? Do you prefer it to a hitch/pulley?

 

[moss]

@moss What sort of grab do you have attached to your hook line? That silver and green thingie? Do you prefer it to a hitch/pulley?

That's the discontinued Trango Cinch, it's ok but a Rope Runner, Bulldog Bone or Akimbo are the most awesome on a Hook line. I put my Rope Runner on the Hook line if I'm not needing it for a particular climb and I want the best possible adjuster on the Hook line. The drawback to a Hook line adjuster like the Cinch or the Grigi is that one-handing under tension doesn't really work, you need to use two hands. Not so with the multicender devices, one-hand control is excellent. A hitch only binds up too much for me.
-AJ

 

[Njdelaney]

Thanks for that insight.

 

[Batla]

That's the discontinued Trango Cinch, it's ok but a Rope Runner, Bulldog Bone or Akimbo are the most awesome on a Hook line. I put my Rope Runner on the Hook line if I'm not needing it for a particular climb and I want the best possible adjuster on the Hook line. The drawback to a Hook line adjuster like the Cinch or the Grigi is that one-handing under tension doesn't really work, you need to use two hands. Not so with the multicender devices, one-hand control is excellent. A hitch only binds up too much for me.
-AJ

Moss, would a rope wrench solve the hitch binding issue?

 

[moss]

Moss, would a rope wrench solve the hitch binding issue?

Yes! RW would work.

 

[Batla]

Thanks Moss!

 

[Burrapeg]

I guess I will pipe up being a working climber on a rook/hydra pulley. I got used to the low friction. And the 3 hole swivel is so good at multiple systems because you can switch sides so easy. I can be tied in like a mofo and just duck under lines and spin around.

I have a Hydra but just could not get used to how badly I tipped over and flopped around with it, so I drilled and tapped an 8-32 machine screw in from one side to lock the shiv in place. The screw extends a short ways into the side of the pulley but does not break thru onto the groove where the rope rides. Just the right amount of friction now and my bridge rope passes over the gentle curve of the shiv and is protected from excess wear. The the two outer holes on top of the Hydra are for my lanyard or a second climbing system. The Hydra still works fine as a pulley if I take the screw out. I am sure this mod negates any warranty but the screw is small enough that I cannot think it seriously effects the strength of the thing. I still have the Gyro triple swivel I bought but by the time I biner it to the bridge rope and add yet another biner from it to my BDB or ZZ, the whole mess is quite tall and also I did not like the sharp curve of the bridge rope thru the biner.