I don't mind at all Charlie. What I do is unclip my eyesplice. I then run it through a krab or pulley on my harness. Then up and through my redirect crotch and back to the harness. This way you have one rope, one knot and two tie-in pts. Also, you can pull the line out of the redirect anytime you want and go back to your main tie-in. Sound simple enough? I called it the "M" style because the rope looks like an m when you're in it and also since my name starts with that. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif