retrievable redirect

[simonOrourke]

anyone got suggestions for a retrievable redirect (from the ground) ??
other than a crotch

i saw jon whatsisface use the petzel one at a tcc ages ago and couldn't work out how it was retreived from the ground.
suggestions?

 

[TLHamel]

There is already a thread here someplace with some info. I think it's under the same title.

 

[stevebullman]

what petzl one?

 

[Rupe]

Not sure what petzl one either but, theres a simple way using a cambium saver with rings cut off and replaced with karabiners (or just a sling with krabs, but they tangle a bit). Place cambium saver as re direct and clip one karabiner to each part of climbing system above friction hitch. Work away. Descend. Remove climbing line as usual and after it collects your rope guide or cambium saver from the TIP it will then collect the re de as well.

Down side is it often gets stuck (Jon whatsisname knows this only too well) and also it can then only be retreived from the ground by taking the whole climbing system out.

To collect the re de only is a whole different ball game!!


The above method could be combnined with the post I made about dropping your rope guide onto your access line. Clip access line to climbing system above friction hitch before moving out to where your re de is going to go. Attach re de as above. Descend. Remove climbing line in usual way advancing friction hitch back up the rope as you do so and let ropeguide drop onto access line.Tie stopper knot under friction hitch. Pull down access line to collect rope guide.
Keep pulling your climbing, line splice end, which you now have. Your friction hitch and krab plus stopper knot should collect whats left of your re de on it way back up and over. If you get it stuck you might still have enough climbing line to pull it back and forth until free.

 

[simonOrourke]

Thanks Rupe. I think I got confused with what jon used. I thought there might be a snazzy gadget or summat. the C Saver idea sounds the easiest, if the tree is nice and open it should work a treat. but then a secondary climbing line is just as easy to install,and can be sent up in seconds by an on the ball groundie!!
cheers guys.

 

[Rupe]

Or you could use the M technique, described on here somewhere. One climbing line, two anchors and one is removable from anywhere.

 

[xman]

Hey Guys,


I invented one years ago with a rated snap shackle and throwline that works sweet! It use to be posted on my no longer existent website, sorry! Three years in Costa Rica, I have not been able to communicate or keep in touch with the real world! This re-direct still to this day is in my bag of tricks and gets used quite often! If you need more info , I am more than happy to explain!!!

Pura Vida

X-man

 

[RogerM]

This is great (not my idea)

 

[pantheraba]

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Hey Guys,


This re-direct still to this day is in my bag of tricks and gets used quite often! If you need more info , I am more than happy to explain!!!

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I would be most appreciative if you would take the time to explain your way...thanks.

Ideally, step by step with pictures to show it.

 

[NickfromWI]

Gary, just a hunch here, but I think xman's is the same as mine...which you didn't get to see....but anyway, I can get some pics up here. That reminds me...Peter wanted me to make one for him! I better get on that!...I'll put some pictures of the new one I make for him....

love
nick

 

[pantheraba]

Sounds great...thanks. Don't miss the picts I posted of you at

http://tinyurl.com/y363ul

 

[No_Bivy]

Works for me too, have you broken 14 sec. Rob, I fiqure it will be comin' soon. I think I'm getting slower!

 

[Norm_Hall]

I have 1 of those too. The snap shackle can be retrieved and used over & over in the same tree. It does have limitations, tho.
Since the advent of the "M", the snap shackle sees very little use.

 

[Kathy_Holzer]

hey norm,
care to reiterate the "M", or post a link to a previous explanation? rupert from butchart gardens in bc showed me a cool redirect that's retrievable w/o retrieving your original tie-in - gonna add that one to my "saddle residents"..
thanks,
k.

 

[NickfromWI]

Here're the pics from the first one I made a few years ago...

 

[NickfromWI]

Okay, these pictures aren't great....but here's ANOTHER!

 

[NickfromWI]

Here's technology for you. Those last pics were taken in '03 with my 3mp casio...this one was taken today with 6mp camera!

I was vacuuming and had to set this redirect to access a hard to reach corner of the living room...

 

[Kathy_Holzer]

thanks nick. that's a variation on the one rupe showed me. has anyone figured out how to retrieve a redirect w/o carrying around a throwline? rupe's system uses the tail of your climbing line. probably doesn't tangle as easily but you're limited by the length of your tail.

so what's the "m"?
k.

 

[stevebullman]

kathy, for the m redirect you unclip your lifeline(end with the splice on) thread it through the krab you unclipped it from, run it over the secondary anchor point then back to the biner and clip it back in. then to retrieve simply unclip and it will come back down to the biner.
you could put a second cambium saver on the secondary anchor point if ya wanted to make it smoother. i think this technique would be a lot better if u did to be honest, its a little jerky to descend on and when ascending you have to keep lining yourself back up.
its a good re-direct though and one i use if any.

 

[stevebullman]

oh the other reason i prefer this over a normal redirect is because a regular re-direct can put a lot of sideways force on the main anchor which makes me feel uneasy sometimes specially if im anchored on something small and whippy