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reimbursement for equipment *DELETED*
- Thread starter luckyeddie
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- Location
- ottawa ontario canada
Re: reimbursement for equipment
sometimes you have to invest in YOURSELF most companies will just give you the basics to get the job done.
sometimes you have to invest in YOURSELF most companies will just give you the basics to get the job done.
- Location
- Bluff country, Wisconsin
Re: reimbursement for equipment
As a owner/climber I feel that if someone is working for me than it is my responsibilty to provide them with everything they need for the job to be completed as quick and safe as possible, just my opinion.
As a owner/climber I feel that if someone is working for me than it is my responsibilty to provide them with everything they need for the job to be completed as quick and safe as possible, just my opinion.
Re: reimbursement for equipment
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As a owner/climber I feel that if someone is working for me than it is my responsibilty to provide them with everything they need for the job to be completed as quick and safe as possible, just my opinion.
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What kind of employer would expect you to buy your own equipment?
A lousy one IMO.
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As a owner/climber I feel that if someone is working for me than it is my responsibilty to provide them with everything they need for the job to be completed as quick and safe as possible, just my opinion.
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What kind of employer would expect you to buy your own equipment?
A lousy one IMO.
- Location
- NJ
Re: reimbursement for equipment
You can expect the owner to provide you with gear of reason. Can't rightly ask your boss to buy you a $500 saddle to do work in, maybe $200. Prob buy you a cheap 1/2 inch line, and cheap steal gaffs. Anything of high end gear you'd need to get your own bank roll.
You can expect the owner to provide you with gear of reason. Can't rightly ask your boss to buy you a $500 saddle to do work in, maybe $200. Prob buy you a cheap 1/2 inch line, and cheap steal gaffs. Anything of high end gear you'd need to get your own bank roll.
- Location
- Bay Area, California
Re: reimbursement for equipment
I remember years ago, when I was a carpenter.. No employer ever supplied you with your personal tools. You had to have your own tool bags, skill saw, hand tools, etc. This seems to be the norm in all the trades. Climbing equipment is highly personal.
However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
I remember years ago, when I was a carpenter.. No employer ever supplied you with your personal tools. You had to have your own tool bags, skill saw, hand tools, etc. This seems to be the norm in all the trades. Climbing equipment is highly personal.
However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
- Location
- NJ
Re: reimbursement for equipment
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However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
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Saddest part of this whole field is this frame of mind. They want to pay you less then you can make driving a truck, yet none want to even buy you the gear to make them money. I show up with all my own gear, anything wears out or breaks from use while making them money I expect them to replace it, if not, I look for a new place to work.
Wonder what the trucking industry would be like if everyone needed to own their own trucks and trailers to move freight. Thinking Fed-Ex, UPS and such be out of biz next day.
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However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
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Saddest part of this whole field is this frame of mind. They want to pay you less then you can make driving a truck, yet none want to even buy you the gear to make them money. I show up with all my own gear, anything wears out or breaks from use while making them money I expect them to replace it, if not, I look for a new place to work.
Wonder what the trucking industry would be like if everyone needed to own their own trucks and trailers to move freight. Thinking Fed-Ex, UPS and such be out of biz next day.
- Location
- Bay Area, California
Re: reimbursement for equipment
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However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
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Saddest part of this whole field is this frame of mind. They want to pay you less then you can make driving a truck, yet none want to even buy you the gear to make them money. I show up with all my own gear, anything wears out or breaks from use while making them money I expect them to replace it, if not, I look for a new place to work.
Wonder what the trucking industry would be like if everyone needed to own their own trucks and trailers to move freight. Thinking Fed-Ex, UPS and such be out of biz next day.
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Oh, OK Holly. More words of wisdom outta your mouth.
I pay my guys damn well, treat them with respect, and will not make them do anything I will not do myself. I will not, however, let them trash gear only to have me replace it. Works well with us. I pay my ground guy more then many companies around here pay their climbers. Don't try painting me as being a cheap, labor driving employer.
Keep your assumptions to yourself.
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However, I do offer gear at the start. A low end saddle, entry level line, ringed friction saver, and a handsaw. After that initial batch of gear, they are on their own. That seems pretty reasonable to me. Also, I think if you pay for your own gear, it will last longer because you will respect it more. No freebies!
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Saddest part of this whole field is this frame of mind. They want to pay you less then you can make driving a truck, yet none want to even buy you the gear to make them money. I show up with all my own gear, anything wears out or breaks from use while making them money I expect them to replace it, if not, I look for a new place to work.
Wonder what the trucking industry would be like if everyone needed to own their own trucks and trailers to move freight. Thinking Fed-Ex, UPS and such be out of biz next day.
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Oh, OK Holly. More words of wisdom outta your mouth.
I pay my guys damn well, treat them with respect, and will not make them do anything I will not do myself. I will not, however, let them trash gear only to have me replace it. Works well with us. I pay my ground guy more then many companies around here pay their climbers. Don't try painting me as being a cheap, labor driving employer.
Keep your assumptions to yourself.
- Location
- NJ
Re: reimbursement for equipment
I was not singling you out. Don't act so guilty. I was just pointing out many companies expect you to get your own gear, with no form of comp. I always liked the companies that atleast give equipment monies for hours worked. For each full week worked some knid of money is put into an account. This allows to buy the gear you like while the company gives alittle back.
I was not singling you out. Don't act so guilty. I was just pointing out many companies expect you to get your own gear, with no form of comp. I always liked the companies that atleast give equipment monies for hours worked. For each full week worked some knid of money is put into an account. This allows to buy the gear you like while the company gives alittle back.
- Location
- BC, Canada
Re: reimbursement for equipment
I've worked under all three regimes: Equipment supplied outright, the "gear rental account", and BYO gear.
Equipment supplied: Good way for a rookie to get his tree legs, sure, but if you want to move on you're back in the same boat. Under this plan, I also found a lot of the gear to be hand-me-downs, and I was expected to share and share alike. I don't share well.
Gear rental account: Just pay me. I'm not 12 years old, I can manage my own money.
BYO gear: The pro choice, as I see it. Like any qualified tradesman, the true climber knows what he wants, buys it, takes pride in it's upkeep and realizes it's his bread and butter.
To me any treeworker who needs or expects his gear to be provided is either at or stuck at the beginners stage. No shame in being a beginner, but a pro invests in himself.
Northwind
I've worked under all three regimes: Equipment supplied outright, the "gear rental account", and BYO gear.
Equipment supplied: Good way for a rookie to get his tree legs, sure, but if you want to move on you're back in the same boat. Under this plan, I also found a lot of the gear to be hand-me-downs, and I was expected to share and share alike. I don't share well.
Gear rental account: Just pay me. I'm not 12 years old, I can manage my own money.
BYO gear: The pro choice, as I see it. Like any qualified tradesman, the true climber knows what he wants, buys it, takes pride in it's upkeep and realizes it's his bread and butter.
To me any treeworker who needs or expects his gear to be provided is either at or stuck at the beginners stage. No shame in being a beginner, but a pro invests in himself.
Northwind
- Location
- tulsa oklahoma
Re: reimbursement for equipment
I dont personally have a prob buying any of my climbers top quality gear, but when I buy it, IT IS MINE. If for some reason you leave the co. the equipment stays.
Most of my guys have their own, and through normal wear and tear I will pay to replace it. I wont replace things that have been misused or carelessly destroyed, but I have no problem purchasing them equipment apples to apples to replace worn and unsafe gear.
An example is replacing climblines, friction hitches, bieners, cams in acsendors, etc.
D.W.H
I dont personally have a prob buying any of my climbers top quality gear, but when I buy it, IT IS MINE. If for some reason you leave the co. the equipment stays.
Most of my guys have their own, and through normal wear and tear I will pay to replace it. I wont replace things that have been misused or carelessly destroyed, but I have no problem purchasing them equipment apples to apples to replace worn and unsafe gear.
An example is replacing climblines, friction hitches, bieners, cams in acsendors, etc.
D.W.H
- Location
- NJ
Re: reimbursement for equipment
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To me any treeworker who needs or expects his gear to be provided is either at or stuck at the beginners stage. No shame in being a beginner, but a pro invests in himself.
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Yup us beginner need our gear. I most of all want any boss to replace gear I started with after all I used my gear to help pay for his house, cars, boat, trucks, chippers, saws, his wifes $20,000 diamond ring, and all the other stuff he has. A rope, saddle, and a few trinks wont hurt is over head that much and after all he gets to write it all off.
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To me any treeworker who needs or expects his gear to be provided is either at or stuck at the beginners stage. No shame in being a beginner, but a pro invests in himself.
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Yup us beginner need our gear. I most of all want any boss to replace gear I started with after all I used my gear to help pay for his house, cars, boat, trucks, chippers, saws, his wifes $20,000 diamond ring, and all the other stuff he has. A rope, saddle, and a few trinks wont hurt is over head that much and after all he gets to write it all off.
Crazy_Jimmy
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- Location
- Texas
Re: reimbursement for equipment
Man that guy must be making the big bucks hollen,i think my climber makes as much as I d
yeah I buy my guys everything they need even high end stuff but like flash tree said its the companys not theirs.I just wish my guys would take care of the stuff like I do,wishful thinking I guess.I do agree if they purchased it themselves they would take better care of it.
Man that guy must be making the big bucks hollen,i think my climber makes as much as I d
yeah I buy my guys everything they need even high end stuff but like flash tree said its the companys not theirs.I just wish my guys would take care of the stuff like I do,wishful thinking I guess.I do agree if they purchased it themselves they would take better care of it.
- Location
- NJ
Re: reimbursement for equipment
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Man that guy must be making the big bucks hollen,i think my climber makes as much as I d yeah I buy my guys everything they need even high end stuff but like flash tree said its the companys not theirs.I just wish my guys would take care of the stuff like I do,wishful thinking I guess.I do agree if they purchased it themselves they would take better care of it.
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lol he was, think this eco has givin him a taste of reality though. I just belive if I started with all my own stuff as it wears working for say you, I'd expect ya to replace it. How long can a loop runner and pulley last. What about my climb line I start with, next year, do I get a new one or do I have to buy it?
Bosses that wont replace this stuff, I don't use my stuff. I'll natural rig all the time let him keep replacing burnt rope, it'll cost him more. I can burn one rope each big removal, thats $100, 2 pulleies and 2 loop runners about $60-80 can do way more trees with his one rope.
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Man that guy must be making the big bucks hollen,i think my climber makes as much as I d
yeah I buy my guys everything they need even high end stuff but like flash tree said its the companys not theirs.I just wish my guys would take care of the stuff like I do,wishful thinking I guess.I do agree if they purchased it themselves they would take better care of it. [/ QUOTE ]
lol he was, think this eco has givin him a taste of reality though. I just belive if I started with all my own stuff as it wears working for say you, I'd expect ya to replace it. How long can a loop runner and pulley last. What about my climb line I start with, next year, do I get a new one or do I have to buy it?
Bosses that wont replace this stuff, I don't use my stuff. I'll natural rig all the time let him keep replacing burnt rope, it'll cost him more. I can burn one rope each big removal, thats $100, 2 pulleies and 2 loop runners about $60-80 can do way more trees with his one rope.
- Location
- BC, Canada
Re: reimbursement for equipment
I was not singling you out. Don't act so guilty.
Northwind
I was not singling you out. Don't act so guilty.
Northwind
